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Originally Posted by jjgallow
This is not the first time the Flames have sold a ton of picks to "go for it", and not a single time did it look good in hindsight except Maybe the Hamilton acquisition (only because Hamilton was super young at the time).
Look back at all the other times the Flames gave up firsts, and you will see they missed out on some incredible players, including Toffoli himself. I highly doubt their scouts are happy about what's been done this year.
I would like to think fans who plan on being here the next 10 years shouldn't be happy either.
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This team has a pattern of trying to compete on a constant basis that I think comes from the ownership and I don't agree with it. But I'm also not going to bang my head against the wall. I think they tried to open the contention window too early, with deals like the Hamonic deal.
But you also can't use that as a silver bullet to assess every deal. Because under the direction of trying to compete you need to evaluate the deals made under that mindset. And within that the Toffoli deal isn't a bad one. It filled a need, and the price given up was reasonable.
I don't view the deal in the same light as a lot of those past ones. I'm not sure all the ones you are referring to though.
They also didn't give up a 1st to miss on Toffoli. He was drafted 47th overall. I suppose you could argue it was the lack of a 1st or 2nd that prevented them from getting him, however, that's cherry picking. You have to look at groupings of players around that. And the trade they made to give up that 2nd was for Rene Bourque who they got a lot of productive years out of. The guys drafted around that spot (43) were Christian Thomas, Patrick Nemeth, Devante Smith Pelley, Brad Ross, Sebastian Wannstrom and Ryan Spooner.
So that highlights that's a good asset exchange.
Not all deals where you trade picks are bad long-term. You are taking a VERY narrow view with this and acting like you have some brilliant insight than none of us do. We are all VERY familiar with the trade history and lack of success of this franchise. Your take isn't fresh.