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Originally Posted by Major Major
I think the AAV for the flames will be higher. Unfortunate, but I think the offers out east will be in the 10 range and the flames price will be 11-12. Plus the 8th year, it could be a pretty significant difference.
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Weird assumption - I think it's plausible the AAVs are the nearly the same on 7vs.8 year offers, but unlikely 7 years will be less. It's a question of whether you're buying his age 36 year or not - I don't think teams will have any issue paying a slightly higher AAV for the 'not'.
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
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I wonder how about NMC and bonus structure. NAS has never given any kind of NTC/NMC to anyone but Josi (and Weber via offer sheet). Duchene and Josi each got about 50% in SB. Actually Duchene has a 7team NTC for the last 3 years of his deal, too.
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Come on. What channels? I wasn't being dick about it. He's saying something when there isn't much info, he gets clicks and gets on the radio. Tedious much?
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Agents. Players. Executives. Coaches.
A quick search of my own contacts reminds me that I don't have any of those phone numbers or relationships.
Every piece of info they get involves some degree of spin and/or mutual back-scratching - good reporters will piece together a picture from multiple sources. As readers, we can paint our assemble our own puzzle knowing that any reporting is inherently flawed, but usually includes some kernels of truth.
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Flames should offer more than they did. Thought it when it happened and still think it now if Seravalli is right. Johnny wants and deserves an AAV in the double digits.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Losing Johnny because you won't go to 11 because you're stuck at 9.5 would be idiocy of the highest order. Calgary is not doing any damage without Gaudreau. They need Gaudreau. Now is not the time for strong arm tactics haha
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None of us have any idea how these negotiations actually go. It's probably standard practice for each side to come in 10-15% less/more from where they expect to end up. I wouldn't be surprised if the rumoured 9.5AAV included max signing bonus and NMC...Flames are willing to go higher, but might try to ease back on those other items a bit in the process.
Another aspect is managing competing offers; if you set your anchor point high, then competing offers may rise with that tide. We actually have no idea what the competitive marketplace is at this point...most benchmark UFA deals we compare were pre-COVID; there are only two since then:
Hamilton - 7x9M - had just turned 28
Pietrangelo - 7x8.8M - was about to turn 31
I don't have a particular point - we just don't know where GMs/owners heads are really at, nor how true the rosy financial picture the league is promoting actually is.