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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
A part of the hostility towards those who are against abortions on religious grounds is that the same group typically does not support up stream determinants of abortions IE comprehensive sex education and increased access to contraceptives.
These folks are not making solutions based arguments, they are offering wishful thinking.
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Because for many people who are anti-choice, it's not actually about saving babies. If it was about saving babies they would be pressing the US on why our infant mortality rate is so poor, why our maternal mortality rate is so low, why there isn't guaranteed maternity leave, guaranteed healthcare for new moms/babies.
If it was about saving babies they'd worry about that baby out of the womb, and if it was about preventing abortion they would support contraception/proper sex ed.
It's about 1) controlling women and 2) punishing women for the "sin" of sex without the sole purpose of reproduction.
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Originally Posted by fleury
Personally, I see moreso the line being drawn at a beating heart so 6.5 months seems crazy late. I don’t know the answer though.
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Ahh but this is also a vague answer because are we talking the electric pulse that eventually becomes a true heartbeat? Or are we talking about much deeper in the pregnancy when an actual heart has formed and a regular heartbeat starts?
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But according to experts, the term “fetal heartbeat” is misleading and medically inaccurate.
“While the heart does begin to develop at around six weeks, at this point the heart as we know it does not yet exist,” said Dr. Ian Fraser Golding, a pediatric and fetal cardiologist at Rady Children’s Hospital San Diego.
Instead, at six weeks, the embryo will develop a tube that generates sporadic electrical impulses that eventually coordinate into rhythmic pulses, he said.
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It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/women...ancy-rcna24435
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
It’s probably best left up to the individual and their healthcare professional then eh?
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It's funny how these same types who are thrilled about the idea of the government stepping in on these intensely personal decisions were up in arms when the ACA happened, because they didn't want the government involved in their healthcare decisions. Really interesting how all those arguments fell apart, between wanting the government involved in pregnancy/contraception, and ranting about "death panels" while then making the decision that it was just old/sick people's time to die during Covid.
Ideally this should be the correct take. This is a personal medical decision between a woman, her doctor, and whatever faith she might have.