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CroFlames · 06-27-2022, 10:12 AM

I don't know. I've heard my kids' heartbeats in the womb and I've seen them moving around on the ultrasounds. Hard to argue "it's not human" at that point. Plus, when they start kick and punching and you can actually see the little hands and feet through the belly... it looks like an alien and is off-putting, but certainly looks "living" to me lol.

I think I remember they start kicking at about 18 weeks. If that is the cutoff for when we say it's morally wrong to terminate because it is a human, was it something non-human at 17 weeks? 15? 3?

I hate the politics stuff, but I like having intellectual (and honest) debate about it because I am not sure what the ultimate right answer is.

06-27-2022, 10:12 AM	#4992
CroFlames Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2015 Exp:	I don't know. I've heard my kids' heartbeats in the womb and I've seen them moving around on the ultrasounds. Hard to argue "it's not human" at that point. Plus, when they start kick and punching and you can actually see the little hands and feet through the belly... it looks like an alien and is off-putting, but certainly looks "living" to me lol. I think I remember they start kicking at about 18 weeks. If that is the cutoff for when we say it's morally wrong to terminate because it is a human, was it something non-human at 17 weeks? 15? 3? I hate the politics stuff, but I like having intellectual (and honest) debate about it because I am not sure what the ultimate right answer is.