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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
No. You should feel bad about it. That's how bad the analogy was. You should feel shame. Look at the ground and wear a hoodie, up with the drawstring tightened.
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Careful, this is getting dangerously close to kink. Anything else you want me to do, sir? I feel soooo bad.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Incorrect - rising gas prices don't just affect people who will drive less or switch to a more efficient vehicle. It affects transportation of goods, making it more cost-effective to produce locally in the long run rather than trucking things in from far away. It affects airline prices, it affects shipping costs. Making those things more expensive does make a small dent - whether or not it's "meaningful", in your view.
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Right, but now we’re getting slightly away from the subject of people reacting to pump prices. An airplane isn’t taxing up to Petro Can and filling up on 87 and hey, yeah sure, give me the car wash with the Turtle Wax, thanks for offering! Sure, flying will get more expensive, but this does… what exactly? Encourages people to take a vacation they drive to? Most people drive to their vacations. Ah, but now they can’t afford that so… they’ll walk to the park or something?
It might make a small difference to a small portion of the population, but it makes a big, unavoidable negative difference to a larger part of the population and a completely avoidable difference to the biggest offenders. You can say it’s dumb to think everyone else should be affected “but not me!” but for the average person, that’s actually a line of thinking that is probably closer to correct than “I will pay an extra $20 at the pump, for the future of our society!”
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
And even all of that aside, you've somehow missed my main point: I didn't say this would make a meaningful difference. I said that if this small inconvenience is enough to have people up in arms, they're absolutely not prepared to make the sacrifices that WOULD make a meaningful difference. Yet they demand that meaningful differences be made. Those people are dumb. You're defending dumb people for being dumb. Refer to my earlier comment about shame and hoodies.
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People are funny that way. How they feel about something is very much tied to the context surrounding that thing, or the purpose behind it and how valid they think that purpose is. So, you can say “hey, we need to stay home, wear masks everywhere, and make all these other changes” and most people, seeing the valid reasons behind it, do it without much fuss. Some people don’t see the reasoning as valid, so they protest or whatever, great, but you can see how context and determining the validity of the reason impacts how people react.
People are prepared to make a meaningful difference, but the problem is that this isn’t one and being sold as one hasn’t even been attempted because nobody, not even the government, is under the illusion it is meaningful. People will forgo plastic forks and straws and pay for grocery bags and whatever. They’ll do the small stuff that isn’t meaningful. Those who can afford it will start buying EVs or driving less and whatever, they’ll do the small stuff that is still less than meaningful on their own accord because they believe in the reasons for doing it. But to expect people just to be stoked to pay more for gas when nothing meaningful is ACTUALLY done and all it does is affect people with the least amount of money, mobility, and ability to change the most?
Eh, sorry big guy. That’s just dumb.
And who is this mysterious Corolla guy anyway? Honest question: how many actual full-on climate warrior types who are purposely putting around in fuel efficient cars and voting and advocating for all these climate change initiatives do YOU know that are actively complaining about $20? Did you just make a guy up to be mad at?