I think this is best started by everyone agreeing that societies with zero taxation suck and fail, and societies with 100% taxation suck and fail. It shouldn't be a debate of more or less, it should be a debate of where governments have a role to collect and spend money to fill the gaps left by capitalist systems. Then it comes down to how to do so most efficiently.
People perceive the gaps in capitalism a lot differently. It also comes down to personal ideals around how much opportunity should come from being born into wealth vs. how much opportunity should be fostered for all.
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