[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Which is funny because I am some kind of ACAB and defund the police guy. I also have read "the book" (well several different training manuals), and the thing about the book is that there isn't one. You need to be fluid as situations change.

Again, we aren't talking about the first officers who engaged with him with IARD that failed for some reason. The shooter entered at 11:33 a.m., the three responding officers entered at 11:35 a.m.. That's IARD. The execution of it somehow failed, the responding officers may be to blame for that, but that's what IARD is. Immediately engaging with the active shooter instead of waiting for backup and setting up a perimeter.

But IARD is for active shooters. Active is a keyword. The cops on video waiting for the proper resources were, by all accounts, not dealing with an active shooter. You can easily prove me wrong if you provide a video of them waiting outside while shots are heard and victims cry. Maybe that's the case, I don't have the stomach to watch many of the videos, but from what I read and saw that wasn't the case.

In fact, the new information is, like I said originally, is that the officers waiting did not believe there was any living children in the class rooms. 100+ rounds had been fired into the classroom before they got there, and now it was quiet. It was assessed as barricaded shooter situation at this point and you don't use IARD for that.

Depending on exact situation which we may never know truly, there's potential that the first responding officers failed. I don't know if I could blame cowardice on that seeing as they immediately entered a building to confront an active shooter but the end result was a failure.

You could potentially blame the person who decided to treat it as a barricaded shooter depending on the information provided to him. Alleged 911 calls from students inside classroom would work against him but the scene (a man with a gun inside a barricaded room and not actively shooting) works in his favour.

You'd agree their assessment was wrong (and also based on god knows what considering kids were calling 911 from the classroom during the time they were hanging out)?