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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Not really a Russian only thing. People are willing to shift their views wildly to fit with their 'in' group. I'm sure if you told those people waving the Russia flag around that they'd be doing that 5 years ago - they'd have looked at you like you were crazy.
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Not a Russian thing at all - though I believe that their access to objective media has made them probably more entrenched in their views.
My comment was meant in general terms on how people respond to things contrary to their belief system...the more 'fanatical' you are, the less likely and more willing to believe lies over facts...
this is a comment that applies universally, across nations and from politics, to religion to games and sports and everything in between.
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Originally Posted by Firebot
From what I have seen, most Russians would be far more angry if they realize they are losing, then that they are raping and killing civilians.
I've seen several videos from prominent russian Youtubers and channels like 1420 and the mentality is just different.
Appealing on the humanitarian side is a very western left mentality, that just doesn't work in a country which is ultra nationalist.
Appealing to Russians that civilians are getting killed doesn't work. Doing things like blowing up the Crimea bridge, bombing Belgorod, shipping dead bodies and showing just how dire the situation for the Russian military really have a much bigger impact. The Moskva sinking means it will never make a Victory Day appearance again. The helicopter attack on Belgorod caused panic and generated questions.
This is why Russia can only be beaten militarily. They need to be humiliated where russians in Moscow and St Petersberg are actively questioning everything.
It's believed one of the reasons why the air show in Moscow was cancelled was due to there being a very real threat of planes being shot down from the sky during the parade. That type of live shock cannot be hidden.
I think the message "Russia is losing the war and has 25K soldiers already killed, Putin is a loser" would have a deeper impact then the one was was used on the hack.
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i would agree that it does take a splash of cold water, or facts, for many to see the truth...
however, if you marched some "Z" supporters through the streets of Mariupol to show them the destructive and devastation, a good percentage, like 30%, would not believe it... the would say the West or Ukraine did it, and everyone is a crisis actor.
they live in a world where 2+2=5...
I don't think NA is that far behind to be honest, but that's for another thread...