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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
Do they really? Do most secularists here have a good understanding of religion or a religious education? Or an understanding of religion's role in shaping our western societies? Or even what certain religious groups believe down to fine points so you can argue with them on the basis and factuality of their own scripture or beliefs?
Somehow, I don't think so. The secularists usually just come up with: "religion is a fairy tale and causes wars and hatred" and consider thats all that's worth knowing about religion when there is much much more.
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I can't speak for everyone, but typically the people (outside of this forum) that I get into a religious debates with I usually find that I know more about their religion than they do. Not everyone is like this of course. But typically the secularists who are the most outspoken about religion know a lot about it. Of course there is a group of people that don't know much about religion because they are not a part of it and wouldn't need to know anything about it.
The fact that you paint secularists with "religion is a fairy tale and causes wars and hatred" is pretty hypocritical. I could send it the other way and say that theists believe in god "because the bible says their is a god, and the bible says the bible is correct."
But truth be told I have a hard time discussing religion with people because everyone I talk to has a different understanding of their religion. Every group says "oh don't listen to that group, they are misguided and give other christians a bad name." Or the conversation turns into religious circle logic and ends. Or "christians" making up their own rules.