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Originally Posted by curves2000
I think I had said it was a poorly written post in terms of how I put forth my words. I still stand by my thoughts that the western countries can increase their overall support and your starting to see that now. It would have been easier and more effective overall to do that sooner, quicker and more proactively
The no fly zone over Ukraine should have been established in the beginning in my opinion. This isn't just about war, it's about the refugee crisis, the economic and health risks associate with this tragedy now too. Europe is dealing with this in full force wither they wanted to or not and it's going to cause significant issues politically in Europe. People are generally tolerant, to a point.
The question is always asked, do we want to get into a war with Russia over Ukraine but the alternative question would be, if we had established a no fly zone at the start, would Russia actually get into a war with us??
Lot's of delays in getting the Ukrainian air force what they have been asking and that is additional fighter jets. There was ton's of back and forth and deal making in the background and now the US is actively supporting countries giving their supply of Mig jets. Wouldn't it have been better to be ahead of the game with this?
We literally have other European countries now moving mountains to provide additional air defense systems, anti aircraft systems, tanks and a whole host of much needed equipment above and beyond what has been delivered already. The question I still ask is, wouldn't it have been better at the start?
I am not advocating for mass bombings of Moscow or anything but I do know that if Putin starts to make moves on Finland and Sweden with their recent declaration of NATO membership or Putin escalates this even further, I don't think sanctions and spineless leadership from the west will be enough.
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A very short answer to your questions is:
Because this is a completely unprecedented situation and a scenario which countries had not prepared for.
I can't think of a war anywhere where so many countries, including many smaller countries, are this united and determined in supporting another country in a war they could theoretically have just ignored.
There were no protocols to do something like this, no one was obligated to give anything, Ukraine wasn't in any union where this kind of help was pre-planned.
In some cases countries needed to make changes to laws to donate equipment. Money is a question, logistics are a question, you need to figure out what you have that you can part with that the UA can use.
Fighter jets especially are not something anyone has just lying around in storage. They are extremely expensive and extremely rare. You also can't give jets that Ukrainians don't have pilots and mechanics for, and you have the questions of escalation to consider.
I don't disagree that a no-fly zone should have been established already, but i would argue that it's already a miracle just how strong and fast the west has responded so far.