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Originally Posted by curves2000
I think I had said it was a poorly written post in terms of how I put forth my words. I still stand by my thoughts that the western countries can increase their overall support and your starting to see that now. It would have been easier and more effective overall to do that sooner, quicker and more proactively
The no fly zone over Ukraine should have been established in the beginning in my opinion. This isn't just about war, it's about the refugee crisis, the economic and health risks associate with this tragedy now too. Europe is dealing with this in full force wither they wanted to or not and it's going to cause significant issues politically in Europe. People are generally tolerant, to a point.
The question is always asked, do we want to get into a war with Russia over Ukraine but the alternative question would be, if we had established a no fly zone at the start, would Russia actually get into a war with us??
Lot's of delays in getting the Ukrainian air force what they have been asking and that is additional fighter jets. There was ton's of back and forth and deal making in the background and now the US is actively supporting countries giving their supply of Mig jets. Wouldn't it have been better to be ahead of the game with this?
We literally have other European countries now moving mountains to provide additional air defense systems, anti aircraft systems, tanks and a whole host of much needed equipment above and beyond what has been delivered already. The question I still ask is, wouldn't it have been better at the start?
I am not advocating for mass bombings of Moscow or anything but I do know that if Putin starts to make moves on Finland and Sweden with their recent declaration of NATO membership or Putin escalates this even further, I don't think sanctions and spineless leadership from the west will be enough.
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Okay, so you put in a no-fly zone. Who enforces it? NATO? You want NATO aircraft shooting down Russian aircraft? That's madness. There's no point in putting in a no-fly zone if it can't be enforced...that just hands Russia a win when they ignore it.
And it would have been premature to give Ukraine a ton of high-quality weapons on day one. There was an expectation Russia was going to dominate this war. Try to find an analyst from pre-war that thought Russia was going to do this poorly. The thought was Russia would kick major ass, so why would you want to give Ukraine a bunch of weaponry if you were concerned it would just fall into Russian hands days or weeks later. It was a reasonable approach at the time, but you're being a Monday morning quarterback.