Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie
Huh? My understanding is that it's hard to prove direct causation of sound violations in environments with a lot going on...how is trying to enforce a regulation for the benefit of society subverting due process? Most infractions are difficult to prove with absolute certainty...
|
It isn't, because that clearly wasn't the point I was making and you focused on the wrong part of the sentence.
If the court system is overburdened (which was the
justification for the disastrous 'administrative penalty traffic court' nonsense -- not a comparison), the last thing we need is to start issuing tickets that are difficult for the Crown to prove and result in a lot of people challenging them. If you're issuing a citation, you should have a solid foundation for doing so. Otherwise you are just throwing #### at the wall and seeing what sticks, and that's not how the justice system is supposed to work
either. You said "Even if 50% of the tickets get thrown out, make the jerks go through that hassle", how the hell is that an acceptable use of our court system? If they get thrown out, how are they the jerks? I mean, it kinda makes you the jerk for making them have to take time off work to go fight a charge that hadn't a snowball's chance in hell in the first place. It is wasting the court's time too.
Edit: Just in case, I hope this didn't come off too dickish or "Listen here, idiot" because I didn't mean it that way. My concerns, in no particular order, are ensuring the court system has the capacity to deal with the cases before it, ensuring that citizens have confidence in the police and related orgs and that they aren't just there to extract as much money out of / exact as much misery upon them as is legislatively permissible, and that resources are put toward solutions that are genuinely capable of addressing real problems. A program like ticketing for noise where there's barely any confidence that the charge will even stick runs afoul of all three, and as I said, people would be surprised to learn what they hear that is actually a perfectly legal exhaust note -- spend any time around domestic sports cars and exotics, and you'll notice the factory spec ones are still pretty in-your-face, but
legal. The above is much the same reason I get incensed over preposterously low speed limits in areas (like Glenmore EB at Stoney / Sarcee); they purport to be about 'safety' but they create a larger speed differential amongst drivers than just having a consistent 80 KM/H speed limit throughout the entire stretch.