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Old 03-17-2022, 12:29 PM   #1032
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald View Post
See, there's the difference between you and I. I will sit through this stuff and weigh what it presents, even if it is obfuscation, nonsense, and general noise. I'll even allow you to dismiss large swaths of research with unsubstantiated claims of false memories. I'll play along to try and see where you're coming from. But I'm not going to fall for a whole bunch of garbage about gimble tracking, that is really irrelevant when we're taking about the enormity of the data in question. This isn't just about a FLIR gimbal video. This is about a target that the pilot had eyes on, that another pilot and his rear had eyes on, that the radar operators from other vessels had tracking data on, and that the ballistic defense network had tracking data on. The gimbal angle is noise and attempt to cloud the fact that a target is doing things beyond the capability of any machine ever observed.

From the linked "peer reviewed paper" on the event, where the radar operator provided details that "skeptics" like West just gloss over and try to make disappear with stories of technical difficulties with FLIR.

"Senior Chief Kevin Day informed us that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) radar systems had detected the UAPs in low Earth orbit before they dropped down to 80,000 feet [23]. The objects would arrive in groups of 10 to 20 and subsequently drop down to 28,000 feet with a several hundred foot variation, and track south at a speed of about 100 knots [23]. Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level (estimated to be 50 feet), or under the surface, in 0.78 s."

Low earth orbit is between 80 and 2000 km from the surface. That's 262,500 to 6,562,000 feet above the surface. We have craft that can travel into this orbit, powered by chemical rockets, but they can't re-enter the atmosphere with the speed and control captured by radar. Then the drop from 28,000 feet to the way below the hard deck (50 feet!) in under a second. The math Dr. Knuth uses shows the velocity of the object peaking at 46,000 MPH or 74,000+ KPH. The power required to generate such velocities of a craft, similar in size to the F/18 Super Hornet tracking the UAP, would be 1,100 GW, or all the nuclear energy used by the United States in one year, but multiplied by a factor of 10. Anyone have that type of technology? Anyone close to that type of technology?

But let's focus on gimbal tricks and haloes caused by IR. Don't focus on the totality of the evidence, just try to focus on a minor data point and try to create confusion that casts a cloud over the event. Classic obfuscation. Classic denialism.
Traveling at 100 knots at 28,000 feet is not easy. Way too slow for most airplanes and helicopters would struggle getting there if they could. Yet there's a whole fleet of them.

Kevin Day said in the interview I posted way above in this thread that he also had eyes on it using the ships powerful binoculars. The fact that they couldn't identify the tracks, he says, bothers him to this day. That was his whole purpose in the navy, identify all air tracks within a certain distance of the carrier group.

I would agree that to not understand that the Tic tac incident, with Fravor and Day and all the others that were there and spoke about it, was an encounter with a highly advanced intelligently controlled aircraft, is denialism. Mind was made up long ago.
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