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Originally Posted by Cheese
so, Russia gets to come in and totally destroy Ukraine to the 100s of billions of dollars just for Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases? Did I get that straight?
Where is the Russia repays Ukraine those billions of dollars of rebuilding the infrastructure they destroyed?
Not to mention the thousands that have been murdered!
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You're point is fair enough.
However I think the question has to be how soon do the Ukrainian's want this to end.
They can take a hard line in the negotiations. F you Russia, leave now pay reparations, no conditions on NATO entry or EU entry.
At that point the Russian's would probably just up the pressure and go from in theory conquest mode to obliteration mode.
Its going to take forever for either country to economically recover from this. Likely though Ukraine has a "Easier" path to recovery. But at the same time, Russia targeting civilian centers, manufacturing, ports and trying to kill as many young men as they can would make that task harder.
At this point Russia is economically farked, and their armed forces is in shambles. The last thing that they're going to want is a resurgent Ukraine on their border getting re-armed by the West.
So Ukraine can roll the dice, continue to fight and continue to try to push through the destruction of their country knowing that outside of weapons and humanitarian aid that no help is coming and that the longer this goes on the worse it gets.
Or give up some concessions. Armed Forces limitation, no NATO or EU and see if the Russian's come back with something that they can live with beyond withdrawl of Russian troops.
I mean we keep focusing on reparations, that will come no matter what as a condition of removing sanctions.