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Originally Posted by dino7c
Goalie should make a save from that far out with no traffic, I bet Vladar thinks he should have had it. Other goal is point blank off of a turnover and he made a bunch of saves that would have been no fault of his if they went in. Overall it was a very good game from Vladar, way better than his last start.
Its not a terrible goal like a shot from center ice or something but its not a good goal, no need to bend over backwards to defend it. Every goalie lets those in or worse. There was nothing magical about the shot though.
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I’m going to offer some insight into my view of this which is based on science and math here
29.7 feet from the face off dot to the centre of the net on the goal line
The crease has a 6 foot radius
Say the shot at the point of MacKinnon’s release is 35 feet from the net and Vladar is 6 feet out. So the shot travels about 29 feet
Say the shot is 70 mph. 1 mph is 1.467 feet per second, so that is 102.7 fps. The shot arrives in .28 seconds
Now you know that a goalie at the edge of the crease doesn’t cover 100% of the net.
It has been documented that a typical hand eye lag is about 20 milliseconds, or .2 seconds. So given that, the goalie is constrained by how far they can adjust their position in 8 milliseconds
Long story short, I can not give credence to the feeling based statement ‘goalie should make a save from that far out’
It’s awesome when goalies make saves, but they rely on
- shot origin location and velocity, time the puck takes to get to them
- shot placement
And goalies are constrained by
- their initial position (they can influence this, but physically can’t cover 100% of the net, based on the differences between the shape of the net and the size and shape of the goaltender)
- time available to respond (time the shot takes to get from the stick to them, considering the eye to brain to physical response lag)
- how they then respond
Physics matter. Science matters
Feelings matter, but in a different way. They have nothing to do with whether shots become goals
A lot of whether a shot actually goes in is based on chance. Shot placement is in my view pretty much the most critical variable.
A goalie in decent position covers, I don’t know, say 80 percent of the net?
Save percentages for “low danger” shots aren’t 1.000 for a reason
Long story short, giving top skilled players time and space to assess the goalie position, and aim their shot, is one of the absolute worst things a team can do
And once the shooter hits the dot, a goalie is at their mercy. Goal or not pretty much matters almost exclusively on the shot placement as compared to their initial positioning
That’s why Sutter’s desire for a checking team matters. Aim on pressured shots drops significantly
Sorry, friend. It’s just science, man