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Originally Posted by Firebot
@curves2000 you really need to read up on what NATO is and what NATO is not.
There are very strict rules on how a country can join NATO, and Ukraine does not qualify.
And since when is Erdogan a fan of Putin? Have you not being paying attention? Turkey and Russia have been mortal enemies since...forever. And Turkey has been part of NATO since 1952.
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Putin and Erdogan share very similar ideologies, are both considered strong man, take no BS and rule with an iron first.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/w...ey-russia.html (paywall)
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-u...n-and-erdogan/
The countries and people may have very negative attitudes about each other but their relationship is concerning to many. On this issue, they are clearly on separate sides in a whole host of ways from a distance. Turkey is a NATO member but is one of the few to not really care what is happening, has not severed diplomatic ties with Russia, sent weapons post invasion and issued sanctions. They may have issued a statement regarding peace or something but that is about it.
Putin and Erdogan both want to restore their own countries to the previous glory or Russian and Ottoman Empire. I know its laughable but one of the few conflicts that is constantly arising is the tensions between Greece and Turkey. Erdogan has consistently used refugee's as pawns, violates Greek airspace and marine waters, has sent up military jet's to scare off the Greek PM's aircraft and continues to talk about the Greek islands and land he claims is stolen. In other wards, very Putin like.
I am getting off topic but my personal opinion is that NATO members aren't as aligned and willing to battle as some people think. I think some of that is evident but the back and forth on this Polish airforce issue and many more is evidence of this.
The more fractured the west and NATO becomes along with spineless organizations like the UN, the more some of these people like Putin are emboldened. The truth will be evident in the pudding when fractures occur with energy security as this war drags on, large corporations and big business start reopening business ties with Russia etc.
The low hanging fruit for a few weeks is one thing, shutting out an energy, military and economic country of 140 million people long term is another game.