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Originally Posted by Itse
On the other hand, we're not the ones getting shot at, bombed and seeing our friends relatives and countrymen die every day.
It's a lot easier for us to say that "you know it'd be smarter to just give in to the Russians".
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Yeah, at this point I can't see how anyone on the Ukrainian side would ever, EVER, agree to the Russian demands. Agreeing to never join the EU and/or NATO is nothing but a prolonged death sentence for their country. They already had multiple agreements with Russia that recognized Ukraine's sovereignty and pre-existing territory, and those promises were obviously broken with the annexation of Crimea. They had agreements that Russia would never use weapons against Ukraine except in self-defence: obviously that promise was broken in 2014 and has been continually broken ever since.
An agreement with Russia isn't worth the paper it's printed on. If the Ukrainians agree to never joining the EU/NATO, they're just agreeing to an eventual Russian takeover. It's a
de facto surrender and Russian accession of a vassal state.
If I'm Zelenskyy or any other Ukrainian government official these demands are complete non-starters.