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Old 03-07-2022, 10:51 AM   #3209
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At the end of the day, the Ukraine can't join NATO and won't get the Crimea back. What's new in the agreement is the separatist provinces in the east. There had already been a fairly major ongoing conflict there, de facto separatist governments in power, and likely eventual "independence", at some point.

What Russia is demanding is the likely outcome, it's a question of the amount of blood shed it takes to get there.

Imo no one wins here. Russia tried to flex, but revealed themselves as pretty incompetent. Hopefully, the west finally moves away from buying oil from totalitarian states, which was something that they didn't need to do on the first place.

There's still major room for repercussions, in the form of heavy economic sanctions. The West needs to stick to their guns.
If they add “Russia and Russian allied countries will not attack Ukraine for 100 years” then maybe there is a starting point for negotiations. If not, what is to prevent Russia from taking a break, re-supplying, and giving it another go?
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