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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not at all. Manufactured memories are always a concern, but a trained psychologist will sniff those out quickly. There are plenty of tools and markers that make manufactured memories raise red flags. This is why methods are extremely important to review and observe during the process, and make sure appropriate rigor is maintained in that regard.



Disagree on this. The problem with many of these articles is making the assumption that the people are damaged in some way, and as a result their minds unreliable. Those assumptions are part of the problem. The reality is that many of these people are not damaged, they are high functioning individuals with perfectly functioning brains and intact mental faculties. I would also say that the mind is not incredibly unreliable. If it were, we wouldn't trust it to do anything and we would be slaves to computers... which we program to emulate out thought and decision processes. Unless there is some type of cognitive impairment, which is not evident in many of the publications, you have to accept that this is an event that happened.

Everything we do is brain and memory based. If our brains and minds are so faulty then everything we do and propose is faulty. Every concept we propose and mull over would then be faulty. Every single cognitive function would then be brought into question and nothing that science does would have value or meaning. If the study of behavior and brain function has no value, then pretty much everything we do with that bushel of neurons is useless and has no value.

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nice syllogistic fallacy. Also nice twisting of the position I made and trying to extrapolate it in to something not said. The point was made in a discussion about memory, not about specifics to aliens or ghosts or anything specific. It was in relation to an individual's memories and the validity of those memories to the individual. In the absence of contrary evidence or mental defect then you must assume the individual has the memory they are describing.

Your argument is a syllogistic fallacy, completely void of nuance or examining the facts. You're also on a runaway train where you're compiling your interpretation of comments and then building a strawman. You're making claims on my behalf that I have not made based on your syllogistic leaps. Here are the positions I've stated in this thread.

1) UFOs are real.
2) The behaviors of these UFOs exceed anything the technology that any nation state has available. These UFOs do not appear to be terrestrial in nature.
3) I believe there is other life in the universe, and I believe there are civilizations that are way ahead of us in technology and evolution.
4) Our understanding of the universe and the constraints on what can be done are in their infancy.
5) Our understanding of the mind and the brain is also in its infancy.
6) Memory is very complex, there are different types of memory, and there are means to validate the existence of memories within each type of memory space.
7) Cognitive function and impairment are critical to the determination of memory efficacy.
8) In the absence of cognitive or physical defect, or evidence to the contrary, we must accept that an individual has the memory they are recalling.
9) Near death experience can be explained through neurophysiology and brain activity.
10) I have not seen any compelling evidence of a ghost/spirit/soul existing, so I do not believe in such entities.
11) I leave myself open to all possibilities should a compelling body of evidence be submitted for review and logical explanations cannot be found.
12) We don't know what we don't know, especially when it comes to physics and the universe around us.
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You have now changed your argument. The bolded bits are very different statements. Either you realize the premise of your first point was indefensible, or you have forgotten what you are defending.