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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So here’s the card:

* President-elect of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health

WPATH supports reversible and partially reversible actions in adolescents who meet the guidelines and acknowledge that unnecessarily delaying intervention could be harmful.
https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Docu...V7_English.pdf

Adolescents may be eligible for puberty suppressing hormones as soon as pubertal changes have
begun. In order for adolescents and their parents to make an informed decision about pubertal
delay, it is recommended that adolescents experience the onset of puberty to at least Tanner
Stage 2.
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Refusing timely medical interventions for adolescents might prolong gender dysphoria and contribute
to an appearance that could provoke abuse and stigmatization. As the level of gender-related abuse
is strongly associated with the degree of psychiatric distress during adolescence (Nuttbrock et al.,
2010), withholding puberty suppression and subsequent feminizing or masculinizing hormone
therapy is not a neutral option for adolescents.

Dr. Bowers biggest gripe with puberty blockers isn't because she fears the patient may revert back to their gender assigned at birth, it's almost the complete opposite. She fears that it keeps the penile tissue too small for a transwoman when she does have the operation resulting in poorer functioning vaginas.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

* President of the U.S. Professional Association for Transgender Health

Ex-president of USPATH. Her beliefs did not align with WPATH and USPATH. Here's the joint statement they released after she went rogue:

https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Docu...012%202021.pdf

The United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH) and the World
Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) stand behind the appropriate care of
transgender and gender diverse youth, which includes, when indicated, the use of "puberty blockers"
such as gonadotropin releasing hormone analogs and other medications to delay puberty, and, when
indicated, the use of gender- affirming hormones such as estrogen or testosterone. Guidelines for the
assessment of transgender and gender diverse youth, as well as for the use of pubertal delay and
gender affirming hormone medications have been published by reputable professional bodies, including
the Endocrine Society, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the American
Psychiatric Association

But sure, both of them bring up reasonable position that pretty much amount to "doctors should be competent and do their jobs well, follow best practices and guidelines." It's not so much the guidelines, which can include sex-change procedures, but moreso the failing of doctors that they take issue with.


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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

President of the Institute for Comprehensive Gender Dysphoria Research

You're talking about Littman and her hypothesis about ROGD. ICGDR was created a year ago by Littman. It's a nothing organization which seems to be largely because Littman was being lambasted by the actual organizations for her views on ROGD. I'll defer to WPATH as you obviously highly respect that organization given the credit you gave a past president. It released a letter specifically addressing Littman's rapid onset gender dysphoria:

The term “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD)” is not a medical
entity recognized by any major professional association, nor is it listed as a subtype or
classification in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) or International
Classification of Diseases (ICD). Therefore, it constitutes nothing more than an acronym created
to describe a proposed clinical phenomenon that may or may not warrant further peer-reviewed
scientific investigation.

But they are far from the only ones to critique Littman's hypothesis and methods.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...508-019-1453-2

Littman’s methodological flaws in the conceptualization and design of the study illustrate the importance of and need for more rigorous survey design and data analysis in descriptive studies.

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-...085-4/fulltext

Although emergence of gender dysphoria at puberty is long established, a distinct pathway of rapid onset gender dysphoria was recently hypothesized based on parental data. Using adolescent clinical data, we tested a series of associations that would be consistent with this pathway, however, our results did not support the rapid onset gender dysphoria hypothesis.

https://psychology.org.au/about-us/n...20Riggs%20said.

The Australian Psychological Society (APS) today released the following statement in support of transgender people in Australia, and challenging the unfounded claim that social media influences the gender of young people specifically:

“Empirical evidence consistently refutes claims that a child’s or adolescent’s gender can be ‘directed’ by peer group pressure or media influence, as a form of ‘social contagion’,” APS Fellow Professor Damien Riggs said.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191028....org/advocacy/

The term “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” is not, and has never been, a diagnosis or health condition but has been used in a single report describing parental perception of their adolescent’s gender identity without exploration of the gender identity and experiences of the adolescents themselves

Here's CAAPS also not supporting Littman's ROGD hypothesis:
https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement

As an organization committed to the generation and application of clinical science for the public good, the Coalition for the Advancement and Application of Psychological Science (CAAPS) supports eliminating the use of Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) and similar concepts for clinical and diagnostic application given the lack of rigorous empirical support for its existence.

There are no sound empirical studies of ROGD and it has not been subjected to rigorous peer-review processes that are standard for clinical science. Further, there is no evidence that ROGD aligns with the lived experiences of transgender children and adolescents.
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Signatories:

American Psychological Association (APA)

Society for the Psychology of Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, American Psychological Association, Division 44

Society for a Science of Clinical Psychology (SSCP)

Society of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology (SCCAP), American Psychological Association, Division 53

Society of Behavioral Medicine (SBM)

Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues (SPSSI)

Association for Behavioral & Cognitive Therapies (ABCT)

National Association of School Psychologists

Council of University Directors of Clinical Psychology (CUDCP) Board

Asian American Psychological Association (AAPA)

Society for the Psychological Study of Culture, Ethnicity, and Race

MSU Research Consortium on Gender-based Violence

State, Provincial and Territorial Psychological Association Affairs (Division 31, APA)

American Psychological Association, Division 22 Rehabilitation Psychology

New York Association of School Psychologists (NYASP)

Society for Community Research and Action (SCRA)

Society for the Study of School Psychology (SSSP)

Society for Child and Family Policy and Practice (Division 37 of the American Psychological Association)

Society of Personality and Social Psychology

Association for University and College Counseling Center Directors (AUCCCD)

Psychologists' Association of Alberta

Saint Louis University, Clinical Psychology Program

American Psychology-Law Society; Division 41 of APA

Michigan State University, Department of Psychology, Clinical Science Area

Psychologists in Public Service, American Psychological Association, Division 18

American Psychiatric Association

Society of Pediatric Psychology (SPP), Division 54 of the American Psychological Association

Society for Research in Child Development

National Association of Psychological Research and Graduation Programs

Council on Social Work Education

Stony Brook University, Clinical Psychology Program

Michigan State University Twin Registry (MSUTR)

Society of Counseling Psychology, Division 17, American Psychological Association

National Latinx Psychological Association (NLPA)

Anxiety and Depression Association of America

The Society of Clinical Psychology, APA Division 12

American Group Psychotherapy Association

University of Miami Department of Psychology

Portuguese Psychologists Association

Diverse Sexualities Research and Education institute

National Association of Social Workers

Puerto Rico Psychology Association

Association for Psychological Science

Connecticut Psychological Association

Howard Brown Health

American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy

British Columbia Psychological Association

World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH)

Associations for Psychologists in Academic Health Centers

Nebraska Psychological Association

GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality

Michigan Psychological Association

Arizona Psychological Association

New Hampshire Mental Health Counselors Association

Florida Psychological Association

Minnesota Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (MAMFT)

AIP— Italian Association of Psychology

Manitoba Psychological Society

Georgia Psychological Association

Vermont Psychological Association

Illinois Psychological Association

Delaware Psychological Association

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’m going with the scientists on this one.

Which ones? The one that support your view?