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Originally Posted by Ducay
If you read the thread, the posts are all historical and no one is an apologist for Russia. No one is saying Putin is right or Russia is valid in their attack, they're just warning that this might happen in the future, and that Russian policy and political class was such that Ukraine was a bright-line and if you crossed it, this might happen.
They point out there were alternative paths historically that some view that might have avoided bloodshed. The fact you have people involved in the decisions regretting the choices made, is quite interesting.
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This is a fair discussion point, but its also a fair question to ask - why do all these countries want to join Nato. They could easily join up with Russia in some sort of alliance and have the same level of protection.
I'd assume two reasons - 1) Russia's economic power is tiny compared to the US, Germany, UK and other NATO countries. 2) Russia is constantly threatening to invade these countries and/or install puppet governments. I'd say Russia pushed these countries to want to join NATO with their behaviour.
There was no threat to Russia before they invaded Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't in NATO or the EU or even close to joining either despite their wishes. They invented a reason because the country was moving out of their sphere of influence.