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Originally Posted by Table 5
I know we're all on Team Ukraine at the moment, but in the big picture this is still not a country that the EU/NATO should need or want in their ranks. It has been, and remains, a highly corrupt and broken nation full of the same type of a-holes like in Russia (perhaps even worse) and where any legitimate capital gets quickly syphoned off into a murky black hole. It would be nothing but a costly, and potentially very dangerous headache. I think we all need to keep in mind that just because Russia is bad, it doesn't mean that Ukraine is necessarily "good".
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
^Jesus dude, read the room.
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Are you the type of guy that reminds a drowning man that he should have taken swimming lessons?
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IDK, I think it's a fair comment.
Does anybody in CP want their kids heading over to fight for Ukraine against Russia? I don't. I'm also concerned admitting them into NATO makes for a more dangerous world; not less.
I can really see how appeasement was the first strategy against the Nazis. I mean, I look at this and hope that 1. Putin is repelled by Ukraine or 2. If he isn't that he stops there. I definitely don't want more countries joining this because I don't see how it ends well for anyone.
We can't forget nuclear weapons are on the table here. Say we all join in and push the Russians out of Ukraine and then do what we can to neuter their military some more so they can't just restart the fight when we leave...what do we think Putin will do? He'll using fataing nuclear weapons.
Nuclear weapons have us over a barrel. If you go charging into Russia, they will be used. Why wouldn't they? He'd be crazy
not to use them at that point.
If this war is such that Ukraine is going to lose, maybe they surrender and we all mourn the brutality and lack of fairness in the world, but the world gets to keep turning and we don't nuke a city or 20.
Sometimes there are no-win situations. I think this is one. I believe we are seeing pro-Ukraine propaganda that makes some of us think Ukrainians are putting up a bigger and better fight than they are. I think in the end, they lose. When that point becomes the blatantly obvious outcome, they need to surrender and call it a day. Or live with war and guerilla war for the next decade or two. Sucks balls.