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Originally Posted by Itse
Again, he's attacking Ukraine over something Ukraine did not do. Not NATO, Ukraine.
Russia has also literally already conquered parts of Ukraine before any of these fresh excuses became "relevant", and it has no problem putting their weapons right on the border and over it. You're just going around repeating the false notion that Ukraine has no right to defend itself against Russian aggression, and claiming that a country under constant threat of Russian occupation should not try to defend itself.
Again, you're being ridiculous, and yes, Putins demands are not a realistic starting point for negotiations, because there is no desire to negotiate on his part. He's just making threats and demands backed by threat of even more violence.
At least 14,000 Ukrainians have already died in the last decade in wars against Russians and pro-Russian troops armed and supported by Russia. Crimea is already lost to Ukraine, as is effectively East Ukraine. 1.5M have fled from their homes, before this fresh round of excuses. Over 100.000 Russian troops are surrounding Ukraine from Transnistria to Belarus to Crimea, and Putin just declared that Ukraine isn't even a real country.
Yes, it's ridiculous to tell Ukrainians that they're not allowed to seek military allies, and it's ridiculous to suggest at this point that other countries, including NATO, are somehow not allowed to aid Ukraine in their continuing fight against Russia.
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Sure Ukraine has a right to defend itself. And the west has a right to step in and help. I just don't want this whole situation to go that route. I want peace, not bigger war. My country and I personally may and probably will suffer from sanctions at best. I don't even want to think about the worst. I may get a call to join army if it comes to that. I don't just sit on a couch theorizing about this war.
Putin did say clearly, that he wants to negotiate, and formulated his demands. If you don't believe him - fine. But if all he wants is recognizing Crimea (which is de facto Russian anyway) and not accepting Ukraine into NATO (there are numerous ways to ensure Ukraine safety without it), why not negotiate.