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Old 02-22-2022, 11:01 PM   #518
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale View Post
So basically:

  • Allow us to officially take the land we stole from you. Let us have it once and for all.
  • Do not join the organization that is designed to protect you from us (even though you are now experiencing first hand as to WHY you should join)
  • And stop finding ways to defend yourself from US, on agression we ourselves started."

Those might be his official ways to "resolve" this crises. And yet each point is complete utter bull####, based on acts fabricated by Putin himself.

How do you even begin to negotiate with nonsense like that? Christ.
Putin's madman speech, reckless actions and general demeanor somewhat obscures that the demands are not that unreasonable.

Annexation should never be allowed, but Crimea is not something that Russia just took from Ukraine. Crimea had been Russian for centuries and Ukraine should have given it back when USSR dissolved. Crimea is not something to sweat, let alone bleed, over, but it's not like Putin just randomly grabbed some region of his choice. The circumstances of Crimea ending up in Ukraine at the first place are disputable at best.

Demands about Ukraine not joining NATO are directed at NATO, not Ukrainian. The Cold War ended on terms that Warsaw block dissolves and NATO does not expand East. This has been supported by some respected western sources. Putin, for all his ramblings, didn't just made it up because he so please. Also Ukraine is welcome to join EU and they seem to have a collective defensive agreement on their own right. Or US can fund a large defensive army in Ukraine.

Those demands is not something Putin just made out of the blue. Which means, he is not going to demand something else tomorrow because he so please.
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