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Old 02-20-2022, 01:19 AM   #370
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I think the fundamental conflict that will be difficult to resolve pertains to human rights. The West (ostensibly, at least) believes in rights for minorities, democracy, and that it has a responsibility to advance these rights for all people, no matter where they may be. That presents an existential threat to the Russian autocrats. Even while the threat can be mitigated through power or the pragmatism of deal-making, the underlying conflict remains unresolved. I don't think the West can or should compromise on these values, so the path to truly set the Cold War behind us lies in further Russian progress on these files.
When in USA sitting president wanted to remain in power, he was removed rather decisively. In Russia sitting president wanted to remain in power and he easily changed constitution so that he can stay forever. So yes, Russia is clearly miles behind when it comes to democracy.

That being said, is it, does it really worth a war? Or even a trade war? Merkel led Germany for 16 years, and she wasn't even elected by people - but rather by parliament - and somehow that's ok. I get the idea that if on some distant country people are suffering because of tyrannical government, being tortured and such, the West feels like it's their responsibility to step in and help those poor people. Is it the case in Russia though? And if it is - shouldn't open borders, free trade and cultural exchange heal that? The west was fairly effective in helping poorest counties with medicals, education and such. The west was brutally ineffective when is comes to installing democracy by force.

Russia is unstable politically for sure and nobody knows where we're going to pivot after Putin dies (which is the only reason he would quit). I myself would prefer some kind of stable political system. That being said, Russia is neither a threat to other countries - until provoked by what is perceived as West aggression, nor does it torture or impoverish its citizens as if their only hope is for West to step in. Russia sure has some maturing to do, but it's arguably best to leave it alone and let it grow up.

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