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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Back from your break I see. Still can’t resist the endorphin hit of those Thanks you get for taking personal shots at other posters. It’s a cheap kind of pleasure, but to a thirsty man in the desert…
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Not back from anything, just reading more than I post, while reserving the right to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want, just like anyone else.
I just find it funny that, while rushing to criticize something or support something, people will dilute the issue into one that fits the pre-prepared narrative they're most comfortable with. I mean no truly intelligent person is going to be convinced that the very mention of a position someone else held is a "personal attack." Just because you're so one-note that everything must be boiled down to some rant against leftists and cancel culture, even fighting for the position that "we should equally teach children the good things nazis did" on your way, doesn't mean that all criticism of your increasingly vapid brand of contrarianism is personal.
It's interesting though, right?
I think we can all agree that comparing Black people to apes and saying the n-word is bad, right? We might disagree on the appropriate social punishment for such a thing, but we all agree that if there are things that are generally good and nice and things that are bad and mean, it's in the latter. My personal punishment for Joe Rogan was thinking less of him. Oh well.
So let's look at the situation at hand. Let's say it's mostly a Neil Young vs Joe Rogan thing to start out with. People who like one side or the other will pick a side, people who don't care, won't. Young pulled his music, great. The end. Cancel culture? None to see here. Some other musicians joined him. Cool, that seems to be entirely within their right. No?
Now looking at the racist comments. Rogan asks Spotify to pull a bunch of episodes, so Spotify does that. Spotify also says they aren't giving up the cash cow, so Rogan is seemingly going to continue making episodes. Cancel culture? Alright, once again, trying to see the power of cancel culture here. Rogan made a decision he wanted to make, Spotify made a decision to keep Rogan, Rogan continues making episodes. Cancelled? Uh... sure. Nothing has changed.
Then there's mention of Dwayne Johnson and a few other "examples" of cancel culture, or whatever, that I admittedly have not even heard of. Must be really powerful stuff if these other people can be cancelled and I, a leftist SJW as I've been called plenty before on here (an apparent personal attack that the people who complain about personal attacks have always defended me from, for sure!) haven't even heard of it. And then stuff like Bill Burr, "but WHY are we not cancelling HIM!???" yeah you're right, cancel culture, this apparently insidious and powerful thing that doesn't actually seem to have any impact is blown wide open by this one example, but... nevermind... let's not analyze that... it's because Burr's a lefty... just like The Rock (oh... wait? I'm confused now)
The point being, I honestly think a lot of this stuff is for suckers at this point. It's meaningless drivel. The right and left are both, equally, pumping people up like fat pigs obsessed with these things that ultimately do not matter. Every decision comes down to the financials, and sometimes that goes with public perception, sometimes it doesnt. But "cancel culture" is an entirely overrated concept that suckers people in and churns them through the outrage machine.
Think about it (whoever is reading this? I guess?) how much time have you wasted thinking or talking about these things that don't even matter? We live in a world where meaningful change could actually be enacted if everyone wasn't so distracted, and you've got idiots like me sitting around saying "The bad man said the bad thing!" as the outrage machine gives me a little poke to keep me going. Then you've got idiots like Cliff sitting around saying "The bad man CAN say the bad things!! Now YOU are the bad man for saying he can't!" as the outrage machine gives him a little poke to keep him going. None of this matters. Cancel culture, wokeness, etc etc are all completely irrelevant drivel manufactured to keep people distracted. It should be fairly telling that most of these phrases are inflammatory because they've been heavily co-opted and adapted to fit the cause of a fair number of politic pundits whose entire job in recent history is to stoke outrage. But don't think too much about that honey, keep using your fun words like they mean things outside your bubble.
The left wants you to be outraged that Rogan is still on Spotify. Why? Who actually cares? The right wants you to be outraged that people are CANCELLING JOE ROGAN! Why? Who cares? This is all aside from the fact that literally no decision they (big companies like Spotify and celebrities like Rogan) make will take into account what you personally think about it if it doesn't mean $$$. One side is trying to trick you into caring about something that doesn't ultimately matter, the other side is trying to trick you into caring about something that isn't happening in any real terms whatsoever.
Why do they do this? Pretty simple. By keeping your outrage stoked over the meaningless stuff, you'll become more entrenched until you're no longer even capable of rational thought. It becomes an automatic reaction, like second nature. That's how a guy can go from being outraged that they're trying to cancel Joe Rogan to outraged that they're trying to "cancel" the UCP for saying "we need to teach the kids the positive stuff about nazis!!" It reaches a point where people stop thinking. It's no longer about logic or intelligent thought, it's about developing the same repeated reactions until you can't help but view toothless criticism of a celebrity and valid criticism of a government as the same and equally worthy of being disputed just because it comes from the same "side" (that you've manufactured in your head). It's the same thing that causes people to villainize otherwise annoying-at-best politicians until they are ready to vote ANYONE else in, and hell, you BETTER not criticize that anyone else until the bad guys are gone!!
It goes beyond Joe Rogan, obviously. But man. This specifically does. not. matter. If you're someone who is suddenly cheering for the hammer to fall and Rogan to get the boot, you're kind of a sucker. If you're someone who is ranting and raving about cancel culture, you're kind of a sucker. You're in way too deep.
But by all means, have the "is cancel culture good y/n?" conservation one more time. The case is ripe for cracking THIS time. And make sure you "thank" Cliff's posts, it's clearly something he pays a lot of attention to. Man needs a boost.
Apologies for the long post. I will, truly, go back to not posting for a while now. Thanks for humouring me.