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Vinny01 · 01-17-2022, 12:22 PM

I am seeing a lot of hypocritical points being made with a lot of clearly guided bias.

The Leafs are being praised for what? Regular season success. Flames have more series victories and division banners than the Leafs have had in the same timeframe. The Leafs have 3 players making over $10.6M per and only have their best player signed for 2 more years after this where they haven’t won a playoff series in 18 years. What an excellently ran team

Sakic’s move to sign MacKinnon is calculated and genius but getting Gaudreau on a similarly good deal is irrelevant because Brad is a bad manager. Getting Byram is a stroke of genius but turning 3 years of Hamilton, 1 year of Ferland and a 3rd rounder who wouldn’t sign anywhere but New York and the Flames get 6 years of a top line forward and top pairing D each for under $5M is not great because Brad is a bad GM. Sakic fails to get past the second round or do anything of substance during this sweetheart MacKinnon deal is he still amazing?

I think you made a weak and flimsy argument that outside of Yzerman is tough to back up. Yzerman won his cups with good drafting outside the first round and while he had Hedman the rest of his key cup winning pillars were picks outside the top 15 and through trades.

You are right. Nothing in sports is a sure thing. One thing we have seen is teams that tank and get high picks maybe they turn it around. LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh we’re able to do it and 2 of those 3 markets are among the most desirable in the US. Markets like Buffalo, Edmonton, Columbus, Florida have struggled. Florida is turning it around because they have a “fanbase” that wasn’t demanding change with constant playoff misses. They have matured lead by players picked 8-12 years ago just hitting their primes. We have been demanding those same players on our team (Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk etc) be traded for the last few years because this core can’t make it out of the first round.

I am fully ready to move on from Treliving as well but I think a list of these ex players in an effort to promote Joe Niewendyk to take over is a weak one.

01-17-2022, 12:22 PM	#5819
Vinny01 Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CGY Exp:	I am seeing a lot of hypocritical points being made with a lot of clearly guided bias. The Leafs are being praised for what? Regular season success. Flames have more series victories and division banners than the Leafs have had in the same timeframe. The Leafs have 3 players making over $10.6M per and only have their best player signed for 2 more years after this where they haven’t won a playoff series in 18 years. What an excellently ran team Sakic’s move to sign MacKinnon is calculated and genius but getting Gaudreau on a similarly good deal is irrelevant because Brad is a bad manager. Getting Byram is a stroke of genius but turning 3 years of Hamilton, 1 year of Ferland and a 3rd rounder who wouldn’t sign anywhere but New York and the Flames get 6 years of a top line forward and top pairing D each for under $5M is not great because Brad is a bad GM. Sakic fails to get past the second round or do anything of substance during this sweetheart MacKinnon deal is he still amazing? I think you made a weak and flimsy argument that outside of Yzerman is tough to back up. Yzerman won his cups with good drafting outside the first round and while he had Hedman the rest of his key cup winning pillars were picks outside the top 15 and through trades. You are right. Nothing in sports is a sure thing. One thing we have seen is teams that tank and get high picks maybe they turn it around. LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh we’re able to do it and 2 of those 3 markets are among the most desirable in the US. Markets like Buffalo, Edmonton, Columbus, Florida have struggled. Florida is turning it around because they have a “fanbase” that wasn’t demanding change with constant playoff misses. They have matured lead by players picked 8-12 years ago just hitting their primes. We have been demanding those same players on our team (Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk etc) be traded for the last few years because this core can’t make it out of the first round. I am fully ready to move on from Treliving as well but I think a list of these ex players in an effort to promote Joe Niewendyk to take over is a weak one.