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Originally Posted by Macho0978
Tampa -> Stamkos, Hedman - both players drafted before the draft lottery rules changed
St. Louis -> Pietrangelo - drafted before the draft lottery rules changed
Washington -> Ovechkin - illegal contract, Backstrom - illegal contract - All players drafted before draft lottery rules changed
Pittsburgh -> Crosby - illegal contract, Malkin, Fleury - All players drafted before draft lottery rules changed
None of your examples are teams that rebuilt since the 2012 lockout. Washington won 12 years after getting AO and Backstrom?
Tampa has done a ton since getting Hedman and Stamkos 12 or so years ago?
Pittsburgh drafted Crosby 17 years ago. They won 1 cup while Malkin and Staal were on ELC's and then it took years on a illegal deal win again.
Examples of rebuilds that happen during or after 2012.
Colorado - contender ( better win this year or next because Mackinnon is about to break the bank)
Toronto - maybe a contender
Florida - contender but also on the verge of cap hell
Edmonton - lol
Buffalo - time to rebuild again
Arizona - constant rebuild
NYR - not sure if it is really a rebuild as they were very luck to get Lafreniere so really 1 year of rebuilding to get Kakko
Chicago 2.0 - still rebuilding
LA 2.0 - still rebuilding
IMO long rebuilds are not the way to go. If needed a short retool works better. Most team that did the long rebuild wasted the ELC's of their stars and have been in cap hell since they had to resign these players. I'm not against tanking for a year to get a star but doing the 3-5 years in a row thing is no longer the model way to build a contender.
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Yeah if you're rebuilding for a long time, you've done it wrong. You're likely not pulling players from throughout the draft, you've likely hired a bad coach, and you've likely signed some bad contracts while making some bad trades.
I'm not arguing for a "long rebuild" of years and years worth of tanking.
I listed the Champions, and Tampa is a good example of a modern rebuild. There is no bloody quick fix though. Tanking for two seasons (which is what I'd want to see) does not mean you're instantly a contender - but it does mean that if you did it right/timed it right, you've potentially acquired the foundation needed to be a Championship team - and then all the rest of the work begins.
"IMO long rebuilds are not the way to go. If needed a short retool works better."
So what are you talking about? What is a short retool - 2 years worth of tanking? Proactive management also helps keep the outright bad years to a minimum as you've (hopefully) sold off some players and gained additional prospects/picks.