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Originally Posted by corporatejay
They died because they attacked a guy with a gun who was acting in self defense.
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Come on counsellor. I would hope you are smarter than that. There is reasonable force for events. That is drilled into the heads of people who are permitted to conceal carry. I forgive you for not not knowing this, being Canadian and all, but there are rules for carrying, and quite a few extend to the level of force you get to apply in given situations.
Against an individual who makes verbal threats against you, you have no right to use lethal force. NONE. Against an individual who uses non-lethal force against you (a skateboard), you have no right to use lethal force. You would have to convince a jury of your peers that you honestly believed this was a life-or-death scenario, and an individual with a skateboard as a weapon is NOT a a life and death scenario. I really don't care who is wielding that deck, it's not a lethal weapon. Drawing your weapon in either of these situations can be construed as attempted murder, depending on the jurisdiction. Again, someone trained in handling weapons and concealed carry would know this. Rittenhouse was a high school kid who was required adult supervision to possess the weapon in question, so the responsibility is limited.
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Originally Posted by you&me
If his gun wasn't loaded, KR would very likely be dead.
So the intent behind carrying a loaded gun is so it actually protects.
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Dead? Unlikely. You're going to have to show the last individual killed with the use of a skateboard as a lethal weapon.
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Edit - I say this as someone that abhors guns... Would not want one, will never own one (frankly don't really understand those that do). The point remains - in that situation, under those laws, Rittenhouse was legally able to carry the gun and (IMO from not really paying much attention to the whole thing) it served the purpose he - legally - intended.
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He was not legally allowed to carry the gun, which is why Dominick Black - the person who furnished the weapon - is facing felony charges and 25 years in prison. The adult who provided the weapon to Rittenhouse is accountable for that action and frees Rittenhouse from weapons charges. Yeah, the law is ####ed up, and meant to protect minors, but in this case it is protecting a murderer.
I get that you don't understand this as you don't know anything about guns or gun ownership. There is a great responsibility with carrying a weapon, and this court case greatly weakened the responsibility involved with carrying. Now you can make the claim of self defense in any situation, which prior to this ####show was not the case. You had to know your #### to carry a gun. Now? Any ####### will be able to carry and kill at will, claiming self defense.
What have we learned out of this mess? Restrict ownership of skateboards, but forgive people for inappropriate use of deadly force using an automatic rifle as a means of self defense.