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Old 11-08-2021, 06:19 PM   #348
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Yep one guy that wants the Vezina in the conversation 11 games into a season and the other trying really hard to discredit 4 shut outs in 9 starts and elite overall numbers.

That’s not really it though

When there was dialogue about the team problems being core or coaches, there were some frequent and notable posters telling us how they look at things from a balanced perspective. Some of us were really leaning towards coaches and explaining why.

The simple idea that 2019 showed the team had a lot of talent and were underachieving individually and collectively. We discussed players, we discussed systems, but making the case that the string of bad coaches were at fault was met with the “balanced view” that the same core were getting the same results, so how could they not be materially responsible

Now we are talking about Markstrom’s performance

I shared some perspectives from Sutter on what is important for shutouts plus some data Woodley described on the types of chances being allowed and how it favours goaltenders.

I find that to have a good conversation about goaltending, you have key ingredients including what the team allows, essentially the demands being placed on the goalie. That’s perspective.

In both cases, turns out coaching matters

Extrapolating a hot start to 25+ shutouts is fantasy. Awesome so far, technically possible, but unlikely.

Acknowledging the team contribution to shutouts isn’t discrediting them in my opinion. It is giving them context

I am not arguing with Sutter on this, he gets it
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