[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, but someone suggested HOF = elite, period

To which I say: Kevin Lowe (also Gillies, Cheevers, Anderson, Watson, Carbonneau, Duff, Boivin).

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Gilmour was very good. He was not in the same conversation as the big four of Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, and Messier.



As opposed to all those other years when that elite C handled them? Good to hear.

That was Gretzky's first year with the Kings. He scored a bushel of points, of course, and so did Bernie Nicholls, but the team was seriously lacking in depth and had no defence to speak of. They gave up more than 4 goals per game, which is the principal reason they finished 26 points behind the Flames in the regular season.

The Flames that year didn't win because they had superior top-end talent. They provably did not, with only one player in the top 10 in scoring (and he was a RW, by the way). They won because they had unbelievable depth. Theo Fleury scored 0.94 points per game playing on the fourth line. Rob Ramage, who had been a top-pairing defenceman in St. Louis, spent most of the season on the third pairing.



It's an argument soundly based in facts from someone who followed the team religiously and knew the league at the time. What kind of argument would you consider not weird?

Flames didn’t win because of their 4th line. They had a ton of elite talent on that team.

Again those 4 players you are talking about are a ridiculous measuring stick. By your definition there have been how many elite C’s in the history of the game?