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Old 10-28-2021, 08:43 AM   #237
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth View Post
It blows me away how many posters are bending over backwards to justify and defend anyone involved in this situation...
You know, I'll speak to this, because despite trying to be clear it wasn't my intention, I know a couple people took my position on JQ as a defence. And I, admittedly, was absolutely defending Toews.

After watching Kyle Beach tell his story, I feel embarrassed. Reading a report is one thing. You have multiple different stories, different angles, and in reading it you try to see the best in people and believe that people are good and honest and unless something is entirely damning, you want to believe they would have done more if they could. Wouldn't you? I don't like living in a world thinking this many people just let it happen. Reading the report, I still believe it leaves a lot to the imagination, and you can either go the optimist route with that space, or the pessimist route. I went the optimist route and I was wrong.

Hearing the story straight from the victim is different. Above all else, you believe the victim. Everything goes away. Every benefit of the doubt I gave was gone hearing Kyle Beach tell his story. And I would like to think that's the same for most people, because even despite being wrong in this situation, I'm going to maintain believing people are good and there is the best in the them. I don't know if it's necessarily fair to not compare the tone of the conversation before he told his story and after, but it's your right to do it. To me, there was an obvious shift.

I don't see anyone bending over backwards to defend anyone right now. But it's embarrassing to have offered anything that could have been seen as a defence at all. Just my two cents.
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