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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
For sure, but there's always some context required when looking at stats. 1/3 of Markstrom's games came before he became a starter. Tim Thomas was 33 with only 80ish games to his name (at a SV% less than .910) before he came on. Obviously I'm not making the comparison, but the closer you look at the stats, the more accurate of a story they tell. Kiprusoff is regarded as one of the best Flames of all-time, an absolute world-beater. Most of us saw him carry the team on his back for a lot of years. Career SV%? .912. Taking career SV% isn't entirely helpful for a lot of guys, nor is judging based on one season or a couple games. That's how you get boneheads relying on some revisionist history to argue Talbot was some no brainer choice over Markstrom. You have to hone in a bit more than that.
Even look at Gibson. Looked like a world-beater last night, right? He was worse than Markstrom last year. And the year before that. His SV% over the last two seasons is .904, but we can all confidently say he's a pretty stellar goaltender, right? Carey Price, good? or trash? .907 over the last two years. I think most people would still call him one of the best in the league. Maybe not $10M good, but way up there.
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Some bonehead? Grow up. Is this a playground? I like to think you are better than that
I didn’t say Talbot was a no brainer. But two things I can say for sure.
1. Talbot makes 3.67 x 3. Markstrom makes 6 x 6. Cap hit matters. Term matters. One contract is better than the other one. Clearly.
2. Data shows Talbot was better in Calgary than Markstrom was. And better in Minnesota than Markstrom was here. And better over his career. There is nothing from a statistical standpoint that makes a compelling case that Markstrom is a better goalie. Just mainly average data augmented by excuses
I have also written about Kiprusoff, breaking down and correlating coach and play style to sv%
Kipper went from .920s and .930s on defense focused teams to sub .910 on Keenan’s structureless teams.
I fully am behind the fact and have been beating the drum that goalie stats are affected by team play
But Markstrom has never shown to be elite. Individual seasons are all ~average ish except one.
Markstrom is a blocking style goalie, who benefits from his size, and who had issues with save selection at times, post save recovery, and rebound control. Kipper’s rebound control was outstanding. He caught all he could and tried directed everything else to the corners. He was a different style of goalie
Last year Markstrom had a double pad stack against Montreal which kind of looked flashy, but it was not a reaction to a quick cross crease pass. It was following the skater. Bizarre save selection. He gave up a rebound, did not leave himself in a position to recover, and got scored on. They lost that game.
Like I said, that first goal against Anaheim? Hrudey said it was a perfectly placed shot. Yeah, ok. And Markstrom was well positioned. Just he let it between his blocker and pad.
So look. I can point to things I don’t care for stylistically. I can point to specific plays to support the views. I can support my point of view with statistics.
You? Mental gymnastics and name calling. Using statistics which exclude the bad games. Lol It’s basically like talking to anti vaxxers. Hardly worthwhile