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Originally Posted by TheoFleury
I don't understand the reluctance in including zary and Pelletier. The odds are against them becoming top 6 much less elite top line. They are magic beans. Same with Valimaki. Odds are they will have short, pedestrian careers... not trying to be negative but like 200 guys get drafted every year into a league that employs around 700. It's pretty much just math. Eichel IS elite right now. What's the worst that happens? Pelletier and Zary turn into impact players? There's probably a 5-10% chance at that.
Monahan
Zary
Pelletier
Valimaki
Unconditional 2023 1st
That's fair imo
Monahan isn't nearly as good as Eichel and I'm a huge Monahan guy. Basically I'd rather have eichel-Lindholm-backlund as the top 3 Cs. Lindholm and Backlund are more well rounded players and slot better in 2C/3C than Monahan does
Valimaki hasn't really impressed me at all. I think the injuries really set him back and the flames were probably overrating him before that anyway. I see 4/5 as his ceiling, maybe 2nd line pp qb for a weaker team.
Zary and Pelletier are good prospects for sure but not blue chippers. Look at the history of flames in the 1st round last 20 years. Yeah, excuse me if I don't pencil them in for stardom. The odds are crazy stacked against them. If everything went perfectly right you are probably looking at konecny or Fiala level players. That's if all the stars align. More likely we are looking at a couple of 3rd liners and honestly given the percentages, wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Most flames 1sts end up being nothing at all
Eichel's eichel though. If you can add a true 1c for beans, you gotta try, and don't get caught up trying to squeeze 5% more value. I feel like Brad probably plays it too safe or maybe is too coy or maybe he just plain overrates his prospects because what we have are basically a couple 6's in a sea of 3's. Not sure what it is but it's time for treliving to seize the day. His job depends on it because as is, this team is just gonna get him fired. He's made 2 great trades in 7 years. He destroyed Carolina basically. Now thats hard to do, but he has proven he can do it. This is like Hamilton x5 though. Legacy defining ####. I'd be so excited if I was him
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I thought the long standing rumored ask was 4 1st round equivalents, why would the Flames offer up 5? Are other teams offering 5, or are the 4 they're offering blowing the doors off the Flames package? Doubt it.
Perhaps the Sabres could have gotten their ask prior to the draft, but now it looks as though Eichel is out until February, or longer. If anything, that would suggest their price should drop. Whoever the acquiring team ends up being is getting less service time to the point where this season is impacted significantly. It's completely reasonable to see a scenario where the Flames pull the trigger on the trade and miss the playoffs. It would be pretty hard to give up an unprotected 1st in this case. Also, I believe it has been recently discussed in the media that Buffalo has conceded that the deal is likely to have conditions placed upon it.
For me its:
Monahan
Valimaki/Zary/Peletier/Coronato
conditional 1st round pick. Flames miss the playoffs, or Eichel plays less than X number of games, the pick slides to 2023.
if additional picks, other than 1st round picks, are required, you negotiate.