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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
How are people surprised this was the outcome? It was predictable since day one. You can't complain we occupied then when we withdraw complain. This was ALWAYS going to happen.
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How is anyone surprised at the outcome and the resurgence of the Taliban? Nobody here is really saying it. Probably if we go back to any threads on Afghanistan, we'll see that probably most of us would have predicted that this exact thing was going to happen. When Biden got in and confirmed the troop withdraw deadline, everyone probably knew it would happen.
But how the fack did our leader and Biden fK this up so badly. How did they become that arrogant and out of touch on the situation on the ground. O'Toole saw it and wrote a letter to Justin, months ago warning of this exact thing. I'm betting CSIS and Military intelligence in Canada knew this was going to happen, and I'm betting that they briefed our version of a tailhook admiral in our defense minister.. The Veterans helping Afghans were screaming at Canada to get off of its ass months ago.
And the Canadian Government and Trudeau sat there with derpy looks on their faces and did nothing. Then completely under evaluated that and put the government in care taker mode when we saw what was coming.
Lets be honest, and seperate things out on your post. This isn't about the whole we occupied them and this is what's going to happen. Most people saw this was going to happen no matter how well the allied troops fought.
This is about a government that completely ignored the warning signs. Were incredibly stupid and the people in immigration with their hands on this file should be fired as should the minister for approving the paper process. They evacuated the embassy staff right off of the bat, and literally left the troops on the ground with no governmental aid, and that's why you see stories of troops ignoring Canadians or saying "We'll get someone to talk to you" and nobody came. That's on our Defense Minister who should have been screaming at foreign affairs and immigration, but oh yeah, he was out campaigning.
Our PM in a crisis should be at the head of the table. He should be directing and coordinating, and pushing. He ignored direct calls for his help from the opposition, he obviously doesn't read the paper or watch the news or get briefings because he would have seen the Veterans going to the papers after they were ignored by this government.
Sorry this entire thing pisses me off beyond reason, I went through basic and served with people that went over and fought in Afghanistan, and are now in an entire state of disbelief, and depression. People who wonder why they bothered now that they've seen a government that frankly abandoned the people they worked and fought with and for because of stupidity and politics. Frankly they don't have as many regrets about fighting over there as they have regrets in putting on the uniform for this country. That's a sad commentary, add to that veterans have a hard enough god damn time in their day to day lives without this adding on feelings of guilt and regret and fears of what's happening to those people over there.
So no, its not about a snarky, what do you expect when we occupied them. And by the way if you polled a lot of Afghanistan people they were happy for the respite from living in fear of a murder cult, they really were. Its a snarky from me about why the $$$$ do we have a government that's so out of touch, so arrogant and so lazy that it felt like they believed that the evacuation would take care of itself so lets call a stupid election and put the government in caretaker mode, and let resources sit on a runway for a week. Oh and let public servants put together a incredibly stupid and without foresight plan to get paper work done, and to and this is big, evacuate everyone first that could have sorted out the snarl of getting peoples paper work done and corrected and get them into the airport, instead of giving the next generation probably serious mental health issues over having to walk by people and say basically "I can't help you" or "I'll find someone that can help you stay right here" while knowing that it was likely that it was never going to happen.
Sorry, I'm venting on you, and I hate to use the word trigger. But your post kinda triggered me, but this one hits home for me. I'm embarrassed by what Canada did (not the soldiers on the ground, not the aircrews) and how they triggered it, I'm ashamed that this government pretty much abandoned people to a fate that is horrible to comprehend. I have nothing but contempt for the members of government that have their hands on this, because they are simply the worst part of this thing. This was their responsibility, from the PM to the Ministers to the senior civil servants, and oh yeah, they will lie, they will distort, they will deceive to protect themselves and their pensions and their salaries, and their power, and where the valor and justice in that?