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Originally Posted by Sled

The way some people are acting towards unvaxxed people in this tread is actually quite scary. I think if this conversation was all done in a physical room people would be tying those that think different then you up and dragging them into the street and shooting them right on the spot with the vaccine.

People aren't reacting up in arms to unvaccinated people. This is a response to those acting in a selfish manner which prevents the rest of society moving forward, but then having those same people protest counter-meaures put in place because of them. No one is laying this at the feet of those who can't be vaccinated. Heck, I bet most of us don't even care anymore why someone does not want to get vaccinated, but stop trying to keep the rest of us from moving forward.

Originally Posted by Sled

I chose to get vaccinated for my own reasons and they are my reasons to keep. For people that don't want to get vaccinated so be it, I don't care. I ignore it, at this point they are in a minority.

This minority, unfortunately, is the reason we are needing to put further restrictions in place.

Originally Posted by Sled

If you folks are so concerned about everyone's health why not lobby to make Happy Meals $35 each to end childhood obesity.

This issue is likely more one of accessible healthy food. With your example, the current situation would be more like healthy food being offered for free, but people refusing, thereby becoming obese, cluttering the health system, passing on obesity... (I mean, it's hard to even draw parallels so this may not completely be reasonable). Also, childhood obesity IS an issue, a big one and ideas around taxing unhealthy foods are around but as I said, it's potentially more an accessibility issue.

Originally Posted by Sled

Make a can of beer $100 each to end alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse, drunk driving and the other numerous amounts of issues that stem from alcohol.

Only 2 of the above things are even actually related to alcohol in your example, and if you change drunk driving to DUI, then really only alcoholism is. Do you really think the other stuff will go away simply be raising the cost of alcohol?

Originally Posted by Sled

Take away the driving license of any person that has a BMI over 30 and not allow them to ride share or use public transit so they have to walk or bike everywhere.

I'm going to assume that you are alluding to the complications of obesity as opposed to simply having a BMI of 30. In that case, there ARE restrictions on those who have diabetes and have to take insulin, or those that have had a cardiac event etc etc.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Sled

Forcing a healthy person to do something against their will (even if it helps them) is not right.

Should we abolish seat-belt laws, how about DUI laws, cigarette tax (actually, don't answer that one)? If you live in a vaccuum, then go ahead. The issue is that we don't. We live in a society and one that has placed certain rules/restrictions in place to protect all of us. These types of statements epitomizes the issue, it sounds like it's all about "you, us, freedoms, rah rah rah" but all I hear is "me me me." As mentioned before, by this point, I would argue that most of us simply don't care why someone chooses not to be vaccinated, but don't blame the rest of us for not being exactly thrilled when those who make choices akin to living in a vaccuum then gets all idealistic about being left out of society.

Originally Posted by Sled

Should all babies get vaccinated in the hospital regardless of religious or personal beliefs? I think the parents are stupid not to but I certainly wouldn't condone forcibly taking an infant from their parents to immunize them.

There's certainly an argument to be made they have an obligation. Where do you draw the line? How about parents who willingly withhold life saving treatment from a child because of whatever reason. That would certainly be looked as at neglect and those kids could potentially be removed. What if that disease turned out to be measles, or pertussis, or tetanus? All things that could have been prevented by a vaccine. If we would find them in neglect for not having their child treated for the actual disease, should we not at least consider the decision to prevent their child from getting the disease in the first place?

Originally Posted by Sled

The great divide of humanity keeps getting wider I fear. Race, Religion, Sexuality, Political, and now vaccination.

There should be no divide on this issue. If there is, it's coming from a vocal minority spouting off misinformation, using youtube videos and likes/dislike ratios to prove their point, all while putting the blame on everybody else. The reason there's more backlash now is simply because the rest of us are sick and tired of coddling and catering to lies, selfish ambitions hidden behind apparent moral outrage and the fact that we could all be moving forward if not for them.

This pandemic has killed close to 4.5 million people across the world, and in less than a years' time, humanity was able to research, develop, test, produce, distribute, provide, basically free of charge, a solution to try and stop it from spreading and killing more. It should be bloody celebrated and yet here we are. We put two people on the moon and the world celebrated our collective science and technological achievement (which we should) despite basically everyone on earth not actually benefiting directly from said achievement. With this, you could be saving the life of a loved one, a friend, your neighbor, and all of a sudden it's "how does this benefit me?" The Pfizer shot just got approved permanently by the FDA which should be another step forward but instead, society braces itself for the next contrived argument from those who would hold us back.

Originally Posted by Sled

Anyone else tired of the anger?

Tired? Man, we all are. It's been a ridiculously tiring year and a half. Tired of anger at those who would keep us in this perpetually? No. It only grows as this continues.