The personal freedoms thing has always been such a stupid argument IMO. The government mandates restrictions for people who can’t keep themselves and others safe
all the time. Can’t obey traffic laws? Lose the privilege of driving.
All freedoms with no responsibility is not how basic society with a government works.
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Originally Posted by JackIsBack
Actually.... exactly the opposite. If you simply have immunity from the mRna vaccination for COVID you just have antigen immunity based on just one protein (the spike protein)... if you had COVID and are immune, your immunity is based on multiple proteins in/on the virus and you also have Killer T cell immunity which has a far wider range of immunity because a variant virus can be recognized by your immune system and dealt with immediately, where the vaccine immunity may not. The virus is adapting (like the Delta variant) by changing it's spike protein, and that's why the vaccine's are failing against it, even though the virus is 99.9% identical to the original strain, the difference, the spike protein. People that have had some sort of COVID influenza or SARS (2003) previously are finding out that they are also immune from COVID even though those viruses are only 80% or so identical to COVID19 - having Killer T cells recognize some of the proteins on a virus are good enough for your immune system to react to that strain and start the immune response immediately. If you only recognize the spike protein, the protein that varies the most from strain to strain I might add... that's not long lasting immunity. Science.
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Got a peer reviewed article to back this info up? You’re right about the mRNA vaccination on protections against the surface protein, but in terms of how natural immunity squares up against vaccination, there simply isn’t enough data to back a strong stance one way or another. Here’s mine:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joim.13372
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Despite these technical limitations, thanks to sero-surveillance, before vaccines were widely distributed, we know that no location worldwide had achieved herd immunity after natural SARS-CoV-2 infection, except perhaps isolated populations or clusters. For example, Manaus, Brazil suffered amongst the highest seroprevalence in response to the first wave of SARS-CoV-2, estimated at greater than two-thirds of the population [207], yet this population was not spared a severe second wave and on-going infection burden.
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In any case, naturally infecting everyone (which appears to be what you’re advocating for) is such a brain dead way of achieving herd immunity. It increases risks for mutations, puts a strain on our healthcare system, and an archaic way to combat viruses.