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why didn't you quit law school after two years?
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Why would I? At the time, I wanted to be a lawyer. Your question really doesn’t make any sense to me.
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How about those of us that did? I had two options to complete my Masters and PhD, from two prestigious schools, but I chose the cheapest option, because of cost.
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What are your degrees in? I ask because I’ve always heard that you shouldn’t pay for a masters or doctorate in any science program, and getting a PhD in a humanities program might, well, not be the wisest idea.
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Frankly, I think Shakespeare had it right when it came to lawyers,
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If you are referring to the “kill all the lawyers quote,” perhaps you are misinterpreting it.
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But for some reasons lawyers make a lot of money and can generate money that a lot of other professions can't, even though those other professions provide much greater value to society as whole.
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Salaries for lawyers is generally bimodal, and not every attorney makes a lot of money. Many of them don’t make very much. The value that lawyers provide is subjective.
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Just like lawyers have to pass the bar exam to practice law, there are certain constraints in place that you are forced to meet for certain degrees, and you have to pay that price.
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If you want to get specific and really want to be educated about such things, no, not every lawyer has to pass the bar exams to practice law. See the Wisconsin diploma privilege.
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No, it isn't. It's the reality. Both parties are responsible for the #### show higher education is, so take your whataboutism and stick it. That is the weakest #### I heard to date.
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I’m having trouble following your argument. You claim that you have been the victim of what your institution made you do and suffer as a result of their inaction, but then say that both parties are responsible. I’m not getting much of a sense that you think that you are responsible for much of what happened to you.
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Yet we bailout those who intentionally wreck the system and punish those who have no say and are just forced to follow the rules put in play?
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Can you please just answer the direct question that was asked?
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This is so stupid I'm surprised you wrote these words. Yes, there are many programs that help the group you singled out.
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Could you please name a few of them that are specific to said group?
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Conversely, those #######s in the 1% get gift-after-gift-after-gift to make their lives much easier. Where's your outrage to that?
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You sound rather angry about all of this.
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I have a really good idea because I've been on all sides of this fence.
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You being on all sides of the fence has no bearing on what my tuition was or what my loan amounts were.
When I went to school, the Pell Grant did not pay for the majority of the year’s schooling, even though you claimed that it did. So, no, you really do not know what you are talking about when it comes to my personal situation.
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The cost of education has skyrocketed out of control because of lack of regulation.
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I don’t think that is necessarily the reason, but I doubt that you will be swayed by anything I write anyway,
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Yeah, my student loans are about the same as a lot of people's mortgage payments. Do I complain? Nope.
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Respectfully, it really does seem to me that you are.
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But I recognize the situation many others find themselves in, and that they got screwed over, and I'm willing to support their efforts to see the system fixed, and that includes forgiveness of loans forced on people.
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And I just completely disagree that student loans are “forced” on people.
Going to school is generally a voluntary decision. If you want to go to school, you take the risk that it will take longer than you anticipated to get the desired degree. Making these voluntary choices and then turning around and saying that something was forced upon you is just difficult for me to accept.
People always have options. They may not like them, but the options are there.
If, in your case, you had the option of bailing on a Phd (and perhaps the masters too?) or taking out $50k more in loans than you originally anticipated, you apparently decided that taking out the loans was the more advantageous decision. But no one truly forced you to make the decision the way you did, did they? And if they did, how did they do that?
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Completely different issue.
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No kidding. But one that affects and could benefit everyone, as opposed to student loan forgiveness.
Look, I don’t think that we are ever going to agree on this issue. I think that most people who are advocating for student loan forgiveness are doing so because any such forgiveness would benefit them and because they don’t want to take responsibility for their previous decisions. Maybe you don’t fit into either of those categories, but, regardless, that is my view of the matter and it is unlikely that I can be persuaded to see it differently.