[getbak]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sorry man, but this is dumb comment. These designs and renders don't happen over night. This is a design and render that was done while CMLC was involved, so you can stop trying to make it sound like CSEC is the bad guy here.

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

We know CSEC has been trying to push out CMLC for quite some time so we don’t know how much, if any, input into the design of building proper CMLC even had.

Originally Posted by Robbob

To play devils advocate, maybe this is why the CSEC wanted to push out the CMLC because they wanted more in the design.

As of today, CMLC is still running the project. With yesterday's approval of the new plan, they will begin the transition to the new CSEC-operated management company, but everything done up to this point has been done with CMLC.

Although, I think people have a misunderstanding of CMLC's role in all of this. As I understand it, they've been the project manager and their role is coordinating everything and bringing the city and CSEC together to facilitate everything, but the design decisions are driven by the stakeholders. Whether CMLC or CSEC are doing the project management, the design of the building will be whatever the city and CSEC agree upon.


As I understand it, as the parties worked together to get a design that would come in under budget, they started discussing cutting things that CSEC felt were needed but the city felt were able to be cut -- two examples I saw were a ~200 car underground parkade and an elevated patio space. Under the original agreement, if CSEC wanted those things included, they would have to pay the additional costs themselves. That's what ultimately led to the new agreement, CSEC agreed to let the city's costs be fixed and agreed to cover any cost overruns, but in order to agree to that, they wanted to be the ones in charge of the project management. That seems like a reasonable demand to me.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You know, looking at this again, it appears a lot has changed already.

The "lip" going around the entire (west?) side is no longer doing so, with the entrance being open. They also have what looks to be parking where the entrance is in the latest render.

In this version, the roof is also flat, but in the latest render, you can clearly see that the roof slopes down behind the (cladding?) and finishes at a much lower point on the south side.

I may have my directions off, but regardless, I wouldn't judge this at all by the above early renders as it already looks significantly different.

Yeah, I think too many people are passing judgement on this based on what were posted as "earlier" renderings and one angle of the "back" of the building (assuming the 12th Ave & 4th St corner will be treated as the "front door" of the building).

Apparently, the finalized design is going to be signed-off by the stakeholders by tomorrow. Hopefully, that means we'll see more angles and some interior renderings in the next couple of weeks.