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Originally Posted by Bingo
Not sure I agree with that either.
Way more success in the draft past the first round than we've seen in 20 years in Calgary.
UFA wise the Brouwer and Neal signings were an issue for sure, but since then he's been fine in the UFA market.
His big issue and one that I think is enough to go another way if you feel that way is moving picks to bolster a core that wasn't ready or effective. Personally I didn't think Monahan and Gaudreau would face plant either so I don't hold it against him, but if you saw that coming you don't put picks in play to add to them.
But draft wise with picks they've been damn astute in the last five years.
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I noticed that you keep saying this, but I don't agree.
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/...r00005090.html
Since the 2008 draft under Sutter, this team has been much a much better drafting team.
2008: Bouma 3rd round, Brodie 4th round
2009: Bust draft
2010: Ferland 5th round
2011: Out of the park draft - Granlund 2nd round, Gaudreau 4th round, Brossoit 6th
2012: Kulak 4th
2013: Bust outside the Monahan pick (including 2 other 1st rounders)
2014: Nothing except 1st round Bennett
2015: Kylington 2nd round, Andersson 2nd round, Mangiapane 6th round
2016: Dube 2nd, Fox 3rd
2017: Ruzicka 4th (played some games, but I wouldn't say he graduated).
Nobody has graduated (from any round) since Valimaki in 2017, so although I do actually like a number of these picks over the years, we can't say that they were successful drafts (yet at least). Also interesting to note that for some reason, Phillips doesn't have credit on Hockeydb for his first NHL game, but eliteprospects does.
I do think that the Flames have continued to draft well under Treliving, but I wouldn't say it is better than it has ever been in the last 20 years. Arguably better, arguably worse... but IMO, unquestionably a top 10 drafting team, especially given the relative number of picks overall, and pick values.
Now, would I worry if the Flames make a GM change? Absolutely I would. My point is not to insinuate that Treliving is not drafting well, but merely to point out that this team was already a fairly strong drafting team, and it has continued under Treliving.