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Originally Posted by CASe333
When you take into account season ranking and playoff series wins I am very confident Calgary is not in the bottom 5 of the league since year 2000 or whatever years you want to cherry pick. Looking at the article you quoted Toronto and Carolina do not even come close to moving past Calgary given their (imo dumb) metrics. Meanwhile using their metrics Detroit falls fast. Calgary probably drops to 22-23 range with that particular metric (they takes into account personnel trophies??)
Columbus, Florida, Edmonton, Winnipeg(Atlanta), Phoenix, and Buffalo all rank well below Calgary's success for the last 20 years pretty much no matter what metric you use.
Looking back at Jay Random's argument he is not trying to say Calgary has been a good franchise or even better than mediocre. The argument I keep seeing lately is Calgary "is one of the worst" or a "terrible" nhl franchise and I think he is just pointing out by all available metrics we are below average but no where near the worst. Calgary has enjoyed similar success as Toronto but unlike Toronto they have won a cup in the last 40 years. None of the Canadian teams really should be happy with the trajectory of their franchises for the last 30 years (except maybe Montreal since they have at least won in the last 30 years and just went to the Finals).
Anyways I am just tired of the hyperbole. We all should demand better but fans don't need to overreact to media rumours or exaggerate how bad things have been. I think we all want the same end result so no point in hyperbole.
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Cross-posted from the trade thread b/c it makes sense here:
ARI - no real argument...they suck
CBJ - no real argument overall...
Though they are a 2000 expansion team. Since 2013 they made playoffs 5/8 times, including a sweep of the Pres Trophy winner and 12 total playoff games won. - Flames are 4/8 playoffs with 1 series win and 8 total playoff wins.
FLA - no real argument...
though they are a '93 expansion team and have the same number of cinderella runs and only 1 fewer playoff series win overall. Their current outlook seems brighter than here.
EDM - there are myriad reasons why their woeful success is more hilarious and inexcusable compared to CGY, but ultimately the actual counts of cinderella runs, series wins, and playoffs made are nearly identical.
BUF - a decade of utter futility,
but a Pres Trophy, back to back Conf. Finals (incl. one game 7), and going back a bit further to the late 90s more series wins, including an SCF and ECF. Since '95 they've had a 5 year span of legit contention, and then 2 more years coming out of the lockout. Of those 7 years of most hope, they only lost in the first rd once. They actually contended while we've only pretended.
ATL/WPG - 11 years of crap after expanding in '99. Obviously our Iggy/Kipper years were far superior.
But, since '14-15, they are 5/8 playoffs, including the last 4 straight. ECF and a sweep of the Oilers (probably more delicious than anything we've done since '04). 3 series wins and 15 games won. Flames are 4/8 playoffs with 1 series win and 8 total playoff wins...but it's a much uglier comparison if we look at the last 4-6 years. Their future still looks brighter.
So I'd say there is hardly any argument with ARI, expansion CBJ, or expansion FLA. But the other 3 are closer to a tossup (unless you really value seasons of being poor-mediocre over abysmal).