[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I use both, but recognize the fallibility of stats, and rely more on the eyeball test.



Hahaha. You think that was personal? Good thing you weren't around during the glory days of the site. You would need a box of Kleenex next to your keyboard because it was vicious by comparison. That was not a personal attack in any way. It was a general statement of the insane tangent GioforPM forced us down while trying to discredit what I had to say by making a really stupid comment based on a recent series collapse by the entire Maple Leafs team.

And yes, it is a ridiculous take. Dismissing GWG as an unofficial stat, even though its been collected and used as a measure for decades, is a ridiculous take. I don't mind the argument the stat could be better measured, and agreed the baseball interpretation is much better, but the dismissal is ridiculous. It would be like suggesting that GAA should be adjusted for late game goals when the game is clearly out of reach. Interesting idea, but would make previous data collected all but unusable, which is ridiculous. And yes, you would have to be a fool to think that game winning goals have no value. They are the most valuable thing in the game, because they accomplish the ultimate measure of the contest - scoring the most goals during the game. Having the ability to score goals when the game is on the line makes you very valuable to teams. Suggesting otherwise is foolish. Like you wouldn't take Auston Matthews on the Flames because you think GWG is a sketchy measure? That would be a foolish decision, and I think it is completely reasonable to call that and the whole discussion out.

Who is talking about not taking Matthews on the Flames? All that was being discussed is him not properly being one of the players on the "scores big goals" list you had. When the complain about him post POs was just the opposite.