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Originally Posted by Macho0978
I never said Tkachuks deal would also be 8 years. I bet nowhere near 8 years. What if it’s 9.5 for 4 or 5 years? Young superstar? Maybe young superstar is a bit bias comment as well. Schenn is an anchor but his numbers are pretty good over the last 3 years but Tkachuk is a superstar. Maybe an all star but right now he isn’t a top 25 player in the league and sounds like he wants out and probably holds the flames hostage in contract talks. He’s not mackinnon so I’m not giving him a blank cheque. Sorry he isn’t that good and his value has dropped if the rumours are true and factoring in his contract
Tarasenko will never score again schenn is an anchor but monahan will be fine after his surgery no concerns from his yearly off season surgeries and Tkachuk is a superstar now and he’s worth whatever he wants.
If we move these guys and want firsts and good young players we might have to take on a risky contract. Id prefer to take a chance on tarasenko because it’s short term and if we continue to suck maybe we can sell him off as a rental.
This team is not good enough and what it needs is a true young superstar or 2 to build around. We don’t have any right now
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Schenn is not an anchor yet but he is 30 and outside of one year 3 years ago when he had 70pts he has never cracked 60 in any other year. Never once scoring 30 goals. I am not saying Monahan will be fine but I like the 2 years of term left vs 7 years Schenn has. I am not a fan of paying Schenn 6.5M for 50-55pts. I agree with you on Tarasenko his 2 years are something I would be okay with trading Monahan for. If Schenn had 2-3 years left I would have a different opinion as well.
It is the height of stupidity to trade a player when his value is low. Look you are now saying Tkachuk isn’t a superstar anymore. You have to go back decades to find a Flame who had a better season at age 21. Unless he requests a trade there is no need to move him for anything short of an overpayment. The team has vehemently denied he requested a trade. Andy Strickland on the fan said today the Blues have interest but he knows that Tkachuk has not asked for a trade.
The Blues have no young superstars coming and their picks are mid-late in the first round. That is not going to build the Flames up. Kyrou is the same age as Tkachuk.
People are putting way way way too much stock into Tkachuk’s down year where he still paced for a season that would have been Schenn’s second best.
Tkachuk is more than points he brings a unique and rare element that definitely makes him a superstar and potential franchise player. I think several factors impacted his rough year. Ward was a disaster of a coach as we saw how he handled Bennett and multiple closed door meetings in the first month of the season. There were no fans in the stands and I think the love/hate fuels Tkachuk and I think helps keep his teammates engaged. They seemed uninterested in playing emotional hockey for the majority of the season. He is 23 stuck in a hotel/apartment I couldn’t imagine how that felt for young players.
There is a much much longer list of things the flames should do before trading Tkachuk for a 30+ player and some middling futures that lack the potential to be what Tkachuk is now.