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Originally Posted by Bingo
What are you using to determine the development system is piss poor? They've graduated a lot of players in the past several years.
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Graduated players have no bearing on the current state of the development system, which was the point of the comment. The system is bone dry of players they can rely upon for systemic depth, largely as a result of the picks Treliving used to try and quickly improve the team. In fact, those promoted players you speak of amplify the shortcoming in the system. The Flames currently don't have a single player ready to compete for a top player position on the main roster.
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Have they graduated more or less than the average team with the same amount of selections in the last five years? I think that's the study.
Graduate rate based on pick tiers or something?
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Again, irrelevant to current state of the development system. When there aren't enough players in it with potential to make it to the NHL the system is not going to graduate anyone. We are now experiencing the pinch caused by Treliving's wheeling and dealing, and the whole system is feeling that shock. That is the point. To solve this problem we need more picks and can't afford to trade away those that we have.
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But I think the bigger culprit is the amount of picks moved, not the ability to develop once they're selected.
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We agree. The problem is there are not enough quality players in the system because the picks to select those players were traded away.
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Off the top of my head guys that have come up and played a role ...
Mangiapane
Dube
Andersson
Kylington
Valimaki
Mackey
Gawdin
Rittich
Hathaway
Kulak
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That's not much support there Bingo. That is a murderer's row of mediocre. That is perfectly why the Flames are where they are. 1st and 2nd round picks are exceptionally important to the health of an organization, and for some reason Treliving allowed that to slip by him. The result has left the system pretty thin with a lot of holes to be filled.