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Old 06-29-2021, 04:02 PM   #776
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher View Post
Where did I say these symbolic gestures are a moral good? I’d be happy if we left these rituals behind us the same way many have left the supernatural elements of religion behind.

As for the broader subject of the Christian roots of modern Western morality, I recommend Tom Holland’s recent book Dominion, reviewed here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/dominio...holland-review
Huh? You're now suggesting collective atonement, described as "taking action to correct a previous wrong doing," is not morally good? Or are you saying that none of this actually qualifies as collective atonement, even though that's what you described it as?

Sorry, nobody is arguing about the historical influence of religion in morality, even though that's the conversation you want to have. The argument is that, perhaps because of the influence, you no longer need to be religious or follow God to have a moral compass. I'm not sure why that needs repeating, it's been said several times...
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