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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Undersized would be beyond the standard deviation. Speaking generally, that would fall probably +/- 2 inches, and then +/- 20 pounds. So an undersized forward would be anything smaller than 5'10, 180. Conversely, a large forward would be anyone over 6'2, 220 pounds. The second deviation would make tiny players 5'8, 160 pounds or smaller, and huge skaters larger than 6'4, 240 pounds. Those bands seem to make the most sense as the data seems to fall in those boundaries.
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I tend to agree with this.
I have no worries with any player 5'10" or taller, or 180 lbs and up. I don't think you have to worry about a guy that size being "too small".
Anything smaller than that is probably where maybe you wouldn't use an early first on the player.
Lysell is 5'10" and 174lbs right now, so would be easily above 180 as he matures into his NHL weight and strength. So wouldn't be too concerned about his size.
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Except there is no such thing as a re-draft. Only the navel gazers talk about re-drafts like they mean anything. They don't. Players are drafted based on the possibility of reaching the potential a team sees in them, and then contribute in the NHL. Every draft there are players who manage to over-achieve. Doesn't mean anyone made a mistake, just a player found the secret sauce to reaching that potential.
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Disagree. I think you can say that NHL GMs made a mistake.
Looking strictly at pre-draft production both Point and Kucherov already looked like they would be elite.
If you look at his offensive production in junior Brayden Point produced like a top 10 player in that draft (6th highest star potential based on Byron Bader's model), same with Kucherov in his draft year (actually the highest NHL Star potential in his draft year based on Byron Bader's model). NHL GMs made the decision to avoid the production because they though they were seen as too small (or Russian factor too in Kucherov's case).