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Originally Posted by timun
Marchand also had seasons of 55 points in 76 games, and 36 points in 45 games; even his first full season in the NHL he had 41 points in 77 games. Better than Andrew Mangiapane has ever done.
You absolutely are cherry-picking complementary stats, I don't care how many 5v5 points per 60 minutes while the blood moon is in Aquarius with Venus ascendent you want to quote: you're trying to paint a picture that Andrew Mangiapane and Brad Marchand are on a similar career track. They're not. Marchand is a categorically better player. He was then, he is now. Sorry to be the bearer of that news, but it's true.
As such any GM with half a brain would never EVER sign Andrew Mangiapane to a contract anywhere near $5M a year, let alone the $6M bandied about earlier, at this point in his career. It's asinine. If he turns into an 85-point-per-year player the calibre of Marchand then great, fine, pay the man. As of yet he's a decent middle-six winger, and you DO NOT SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON THAT KIND OF PLAYER.
Thank **** you fools aren't Flames GM...
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The seasons are irrelevant to me when comparing their careers up to that point. Marchand was .61 PPG at that point of his career. Mangiapane was .43. I acknowledged that, it's honestly one of the first parts of the post.
And honestly points per 60 is not a cherry picked stat at all, it's becoming a more and more widely used stat because it helps normalize usage and minutes played.
I get it. You don't like advanced stats. But really all people do when they post BS like you just posted is admit their own ignorance. Nothing I posted is cherry picked, if I cherry picked I would have just shown the per 60 stats, it's not cherry picking when you show pretty much all the stats available. Get all worked up all you want but the numbers shared are just actual stats. Our interpretation of the stats can be different, that's fine, but nothing was cherry picked. I put more value in 5V5 stats, especially adjusted for GP and per 60 minutes, you put more value in the raw point production and that's fine.
And what I don't get is the stats actually back up the play from watching the games. It's not like Mangiapane looks like a plug if you watch the games, there is easily an argument that Mangiapane has been our most consistent forward the last two seasons, just from watching the games. Doesn't matter what line he is on, doesn't matter who he is playing with, he's generally noticeable in a postive way on the ice shift after shift.
I get it. It's cool to #### on every single Flames player right now. The organization is terrible, we should be tanking, everyone sucks....etc, etc. But honestly don't get why it's hard for people to admit that there actually might be something here with Mangiapane.
Go ask Gerard Gallant what he thinks of Mangiapane and the impact he's had on that team Canada team that was winless before Mangiapane got there, Mangiapane leads the tournment in PPG by a large margin, and Canada are now in the semi-finals.