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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Ok but the argument I'm giving is that Mangiapane SHOULD be on the PP. He hasn't been, for no good reason.
It makes sense to evaluate and compare players on the most level playing field possible. At even strength, Mangiapane laps much of his competition. That, to me, suggests he very much should and can do the same on the PP.
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There are tons of excellent play drivers 5v5 that are not at all helpful on the PP.
Not to say Mangipane is necessarily one of those guys, but would like to see your reasoning based on particular skills he brings rather than assuming 5v5 will correlate similarly to PP. it doesn’t. At all. Very different skill sets.
Secondly, the statistics cited are interesting and factual and I think you could dig deeper on the context as to the “defensive strength” of opposition that he’s facing. I don’t have that at my finger tips but would be interesting to see how often he is facing top pair defenders, two way forwards, or what before declaring him elite offensively.
Also, as much as you cite everyone is being subjective, and you are being objective, a good analyst also could sliders the qualitative factors as to “how these stats are occurring”. Not once have you really painted an argument as to what the key skills mangiapane brings to the table to drive play. “Being a good play driver” is not a skill. It’s an outcome derived from numerous factors in an underlying skill set.
-is he someone with crazy puck skills?
-is he doing things that demonstrate a high IQ, if so, what?
-is he fast, good laterally, high acceleration?
-how would he age over the term?
-is he system player that has succeeded because he is in a perfect spot for his skill set? Linemates that complement him well?
You’ve got a hypothesis that this player is elite and has some credibility behind it based on some evidence. That’s great, and you’re also seem surprised that you’re being challenged by it, from a audience that is pretty smart on hockey and isn’t going to be swayed by one piece e of evidence.
Let’s go a bit deeper here and see what wise you come up with. There’s a lot you could do to make the hot take more convincing rather than getting into a boiler plate subjective v objective discussion. I’m interested to see what you come up with.
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