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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
He's not as flashy as those guys for sure but he's very much a very effective 200 foot player that drives play. And tends to do so no matter what line he has played on, or who he plays with.
Maybe you don't give him 6 x $6 right now, but Flames would smart to try to lock him up long term at a lower cap hit if they could.
And really the numbers are the numbers. You can argue it all you want but over the last two seasons he is in the top 30 in the NHL at producing primary points (goals + primary assists) at 5v5. That's not debatable, that's just a fact.
These are two different players, looking at both of them the summer they turned 25 years old.
Player A:
AHL - 113 GP
Goals-31, Points - 91, PPG - 0.81
NHL-218 GP
All Situations: Goals- 67, Points - 133, PPG- 0.61
5V5: Goals: 41, Points - 96, PPG - 0.44
Advanced 5V5:
-Goals per 60: 0.97
-Points per 60: 2.28
-Primary points per 60: 1.68
-Corsi For: 56.1%
-xGF%: 55.8%
Player B:
AHL - 120 GP:
Goals-50. Points - 109, PPG - 0.90
NHL- 178 GP
All Situations: Goals - 43. Points - 77, PPG - 0.43 PPG
5V5: Goals - 38, Points-68, PPG - 0.38 PPG
Advanced 5v5:
-Goals per 60: 1.13
-Points per 60: 2.02
-Primary Points per 60: 1.87
-Corsi For: 54.1%
-xGF%: 56.4%
Player A is Brad Marchand
Player B is Andrew Mangiapane
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Nah nah nah nah, there's some **ckery going on here. You're also selling Marchand short by presenting "all-situations" points vs 5on5, which totally glosses over the fact that Marchand was about as prolific on the penalty kill as he was on the power play.
Marchand
All Situations: Goals - 67, Points - 133, PPG- 0.61
5V5: Goals -
41 48, Points -
96 109, PPG -
0.44 0.50
SH: Goals - 8, Points - 11
PP: Goals - 11, Points - 13
Mangiapane
All Situations: Goals - 43. Points - 77, PPG - 0.43 PPG
5V5: Goals -
38 40, Points-
68 70, PPG -
0.38 PPG 0.39
SH: Goals - 1, Points - 1
PP: Goals - 2, Points - 6
The rest of your "advanced" 5v5 stats are thus extremely suspect.
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Marchand was slightly ahead of Mangiapane at this point of their careers,
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No, Marchand was waaaaaaay ahead. Two 20+ goal seasons and other than his first taste of the NHL in '09-'10 he never had less than 36 points in a season (the lockout-abbreviated '12-'13 season, 45 GP). Mangiapane's career highs are 18 goals, 32 points; Marchand's were 28 goals, 55 points.
Plus Marchand had 34 points in 54 playoff games, including 19 points in 25 games and a Stanley Cup in 2011.
And even after all that, and another 25-goal, 53-point season in 2013-14, Brad Marchand's next deal was 4yrs @ $4.5M.
Throwing 6x$6M at Andrew Mangiapane is
incredibly foolish.