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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
maybe I'm just actually a homer for good players. I actually think the Flames are pretty horribly set up for the future. but Mangiapane is a beacon of light on the team.
anyway it's really hard to judge Mangiapane's points because he hasn't been given the same high-leverage opportunities as stars around the league but his early-career production is very similar to that of Brad Marchand, who was a similarly undervalued and under-deployed player (typically averaging less than 17 minutes a night and getting very little PP time) until around the 2015–16 season.
This season, Mangiapane was the 14th-most valuable offensive player at even strength in the entire NHL (according to Evolving-Hockey's expected goals above replacement model). The folks ahead of him?
Matthews, Nurse, McDavid, DeBrincat, Chychrun, Draisaitl, Rantanen, Barkov, Burakovsky, Marchand, Robertson, Orlov, and Huberdeau
You can dismiss a guy's reputation but it doesn't really get you anywhere. These were the top guys in the league at driving offensive play this year. When they were on the ice, their teams dominated — and they were the reason. And they're expected to continue at that level.
there is literally no spin here. it's quantifiable evidence. he's one of the top producers and play-drivers in the league at 5v5. if he gets PP time, it's a very reasonable assumption that his raw points output will increase. when he was on the ice this year, the Flames outscored their opponents 31-24.
"pedigree" really shouldn't matter, and if we're basing it off history — he was one of the better offensive play-drivers in the league last year, too.
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Bread rocks, first of all. And I hate the way we grind our top players on this website. So caveat declared...
I just think he continues to struggle with balance maybe strength on his skates. He falls down a lot still.
And he’s not a great passer IMO. He puts pucks too far ahead, in skates etc.
If he gets these things improved on I do think he’s a full time top line winger.
Right now no way he’s a 6x6. 7x5 is in the vicinity of where I think he lands.
No stats, just my observations from watching him come up.
He’s awesome. I love him on our team. It’d be awesome if he went long term and turned his contract into the bargain of the league.